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Ari Daniel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Appearances Over Time

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Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

Penny and her colleagues had gotten a $45 million grant from the United States Agency for International Development, or USAID, to create a state-of-the-art vaccine to prevent HIV.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

The goal was to get teams across the continent to collaborate on developing something that would work in different African communities.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

Exactly.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

And within a country and even between individuals.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

So at this meeting in Zanzibar, there was a real feeling of momentum.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

Nonu Mkize is a colleague of Penny's and a senior medical scientist.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

But just as that meeting was about to wrap up, Penny says the mood darkened.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

Yep.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

As you may recall, Nate, President Trump, who'd just been inaugurated at that point, had signed an executive order freezing most foreign aid.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

Yeah.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

But Penny and her colleagues soon found out.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

After returning to Johannesburg, she says the official stop work orders arrived from Washington just weeks before the trial was to begin.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

Everything came to a sudden halt.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

All the money was gone.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

And remember Linda Gale Becker from the top of the episode?

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

That's the one.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

She says when the funding collapsed, she cycled through the stages of grief.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

But soon, this team of researchers decided that they needed to find a different way forward.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

A period of frantic grant writing began, and finally they got funding from the South African Medical Research Council and the Gates Foundation.

Short Wave
Could this vaccine trial mean a future without HIV?

No, they couldn't raise that much, but they did get about $2.2 million.