Arthur Allen

I mean, it was like, you know, for a lot of people, Tony Fauci was a hero and it seemed like he was kind of a hero for everybody for a while. And then he became this demon who they want to throw in jail to this day. What's kind of ironic is that, you know, vaccine safety and vaccine skepticism really don't track together. Vaccine skepticism has to do with confidence in the government.

I mean, it was like, you know, for a lot of people, Tony Fauci was a hero and it seemed like he was kind of a hero for everybody for a while. And then he became this demon who they want to throw in jail to this day. What's kind of ironic is that, you know, vaccine safety and vaccine skepticism really don't track together. Vaccine skepticism has to do with confidence in the government.

Vaccine safety, you know, is a progressive thing that in general has gotten better over time.

Vaccine safety, you know, is a progressive thing that in general has gotten better over time.

Vaccine safety, you know, is a progressive thing that in general has gotten better over time.

Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's kind of interesting. In 2014, there was a measles outbreak at Disneyland.

Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's kind of interesting. In 2014, there was a measles outbreak at Disneyland.

Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's kind of interesting. In 2014, there was a measles outbreak at Disneyland.

This led to a decision by the very Democratic legislature in California to tighten requirements on the school vaccination.

This led to a decision by the very Democratic legislature in California to tighten requirements on the school vaccination.

This led to a decision by the very Democratic legislature in California to tighten requirements on the school vaccination.

Up to then, in California, you could get an exemption for your kid from vaccination on fairly flimsy grounds, religious or philosophical. And they got rid of that. And there was a huge backlash against that. There were movements all over the country to tighten rules. And that really, like, gave a shot in the arm, so to speak, to the anti-vaccine movement. And so that movement was there.

Up to then, in California, you could get an exemption for your kid from vaccination on fairly flimsy grounds, religious or philosophical. And they got rid of that. And there was a huge backlash against that. There were movements all over the country to tighten rules. And that really, like, gave a shot in the arm, so to speak, to the anti-vaccine movement. And so that movement was there.

Up to then, in California, you could get an exemption for your kid from vaccination on fairly flimsy grounds, religious or philosophical. And they got rid of that. And there was a huge backlash against that. There were movements all over the country to tighten rules. And that really, like, gave a shot in the arm, so to speak, to the anti-vaccine movement. And so that movement was there.

And then the pandemic sort of joined them with all these like Moms for Liberty and all these other sort of anti-government groups and anti-public health people. But the anti-vaccine core was quite strong before the pandemic.

And then the pandemic sort of joined them with all these like Moms for Liberty and all these other sort of anti-government groups and anti-public health people. But the anti-vaccine core was quite strong before the pandemic.

And then the pandemic sort of joined them with all these like Moms for Liberty and all these other sort of anti-government groups and anti-public health people. But the anti-vaccine core was quite strong before the pandemic.

Well, I think the thing that people don't realize about the vaccine sort of enterprise is it's actually pretty fragile. I mean, drug companies come in and out of the vaccine business readily. Like the industry's interest in vaccines is not that big. I mean, some of them make money now. The Shingrix makes money. The pneumococcus vaccine, which a lot of older people get, make money.

Well, I think the thing that people don't realize about the vaccine sort of enterprise is it's actually pretty fragile. I mean, drug companies come in and out of the vaccine business readily. Like the industry's interest in vaccines is not that big. I mean, some of them make money now. The Shingrix makes money. The pneumococcus vaccine, which a lot of older people get, make money.

Well, I think the thing that people don't realize about the vaccine sort of enterprise is it's actually pretty fragile. I mean, drug companies come in and out of the vaccine business readily. Like the industry's interest in vaccines is not that big. I mean, some of them make money now. The Shingrix makes money. The pneumococcus vaccine, which a lot of older people get, make money.