Arthur Brooks

What I would recommend is no multitasking while you're listening to my book, Paulie.

So don't shop on Amazon while you're listening to my book or do two or three other things because then you're too occupied.

So just listen while you're walking or maybe while you're sitting in your living room and that's fine.

That's a good use of a device.

And I'm not saying that just because it's my book.

Second, this is from Lauren Prescott.

Thanks, Lauren, for writing in at the website.

Is there room for fun, less serious activities and leisure, such as playing a sport, trying a recipe, hosting a dinner party?

These aren't contemplative, but they seem productive a lot more than binge watching or scrolling.

Boy, that's for sure.

Now, when I did that episode on leisure, I'll put that in the links.

I talked about the work of Joseph Pieper, the great 20th century philosopher.

who is an expert in leisure.

He called it the basis of culture.

And he said that great leisure, deep leisure has three components, or it has three silos that you can be in.

Number one is leisure based on deepening your metaphysical sense, your transcendence, maybe your spiritual life.

Another is by learning something that they're not paying you to learn.

And last but not least is deepening your love relationships.

None of that rules out any of the stuff you talked about, Lauren.

The whole idea of playing a sport, learning about something, especially doing it with friends.