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Ash Kelley

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
7477 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Yeah, agreed.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

So in a court deposition the following year, which should tell you something, Elizabeth's friend, so Frank's mother's friend, Emma Short, she said Frank's relationship with his mother was, quote, very intimate, such as a man and wife should be.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

I'm sorry, what?

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

That's what she said.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

That is far beyond what a mother and son should be.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

100%.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Holy shit.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

So with the exception of a very small period during law school when he lived in San Francisco, Frank always lived with Elizabeth and was always there to cater to her every last need.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Even when he was in school and living away from home, he would go to her house to have dinner every single night.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Yeah, they were close.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Elizabeth and Frank had always had a really codependent relationship, but Elizabeth became significantly more needy about seven years earlier when Frank's stepfather walked out because he could no longer tolerate her demanding an abuse of nature.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Oh, yeah.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

From that point on, Elizabeth seemed to rely on Frank entirely for companionship, emotional support, financial support, validation, whatever it was.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

All the things you need from a partner.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Yes, just absolutely every last thing.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Later, when Frank would come up in a conversation, Olga's friends would refer to him as a big baby.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Oh, gross.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

Yeah.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

And the women who worked at the courthouse where he occasionally practiced law privately referred to him, this is mean, this is bullying.

Morbid
The Murder of Olga Kupczyk

They called him a wicked wascal wabbit because they were mocking the way that his mother infantilized him, but he also had a slight speech impediment.