Ash Kelley

And it prevented them from even doing anything to intervene for this poor woman.

Right.

Now to the editor, Abe Rosenthal, the story had very little to do with Kitty at all and was in fact all about the state of American society in the mid-1960s.

He wrote in 1999, I was interested only in the manner of her dying.

That is the power of the Genovese matter.

It talks to us not about her, a subject that was barely of fleeting interest to us, but about ourselves, a subject never out of our minds.

Oh.

That's a real thing that was said.

I literally... Did you just see me, like... Ash actively, like, backed up in her seat.

Like, it just... It thrust her backwards.

What the fuck?

I can't imagine.

So he's talking- I'm actually speechless.

So the whole thing was like, oh my goodness, we're all becoming apathetic.

This is bad.

High crime rates.

Nobody's going to interview.

And then he's literally like, yeah, I don't care about that woman that got married.

Let's talk about apathy though.

That got murdered, yeah.