Ashley Flowers

Yeah, they didn't have it. They made the choice for them to preserve their rights. But by destroying it, what they did was actually take away any future right they might have for repercussions. They can no longer go after Hammond's estate. Were there other people on those tapes that they could go after?

We'll never know because by the way, when they destroyed everything, they had not viewed most of it. Like they just took it all away without knowing what was on the majority of those tapes, which is bananas to me. And the whole way that these were destroyed, when they looked into this, this went against every policy and procedure they had in place about how to deal with evidence.

We'll never know because by the way, when they destroyed everything, they had not viewed most of it. Like they just took it all away without knowing what was on the majority of those tapes, which is bananas to me. And the whole way that these were destroyed, when they looked into this, this went against every policy and procedure they had in place about how to deal with evidence.

It just all goes up in smoke. Literally. Burned it. Yes. And listen. Jim Broderick would have you believe that they did this for a noble reason. And I do think there are people out there doing noble things for noble reasons. I haven't seen a whole lot of them. Love to meet more. Yes.

It just all goes up in smoke. Literally. Burned it. Yes. And listen. Jim Broderick would have you believe that they did this for a noble reason. And I do think there are people out there doing noble things for noble reasons. I haven't seen a whole lot of them. Love to meet more. Yes.

But in the theme of always going a layer deeper, which is our new Crime Junkie Life rule, I like to ask not just what happened, but why do we think it happened? Well... Here's a fun fact. In the couple of days between when Hammond was arrested, but before he died, they were having to think about, like, taking this to a trial, like there could be a case around this.

But in the theme of always going a layer deeper, which is our new Crime Junkie Life rule, I like to ask not just what happened, but why do we think it happened? Well... Here's a fun fact. In the couple of days between when Hammond was arrested, but before he died, they were having to think about, like, taking this to a trial, like there could be a case around this.

And they were going to have to appoint a special prosecutor because they quickly found out that members of the DA's office, quote, had been guests at Hammond's home and may have been videotaped.

And they were going to have to appoint a special prosecutor because they quickly found out that members of the DA's office, quote, had been guests at Hammond's home and may have been videotaped.

But they are quick to write this off. Like, same way when Tim, right, when he gets exonerated, they're like, let's just make this go away. And when this happened, they wanted this to go away. So much so that they were even writing off stories that made no sense. Like, people were like, oh, he wouldn't have hurt Peggy because, like, he didn't even use a scalpel.

But they are quick to write this off. Like, same way when Tim, right, when he gets exonerated, they're like, let's just make this go away. And when this happened, they wanted this to go away. So much so that they were even writing off stories that made no sense. Like, people were like, oh, he wouldn't have hurt Peggy because, like, he didn't even use a scalpel.

Yes, he was a doctor in surgical precision, all that, but he didn't even use scalpels. But like a guy who he ran the practice with was like, yeah, we absolutely do. And there's an affidavit from a woman who's like, he literally used a scalpel on me.

Yes, he was a doctor in surgical precision, all that, but he didn't even use scalpels. But like a guy who he ran the practice with was like, yeah, we absolutely do. And there's an affidavit from a woman who's like, he literally used a scalpel on me.

And just to show you how far under the rug they were pushing this thing, everything in the paper like at the time was about the videotapes or whatever. Nobody publicly was connecting this guy to Peggy Hetrick in 1995. And nobody was telling Peggy's family about him, even behind the scenes. Tom didn't find out about Dr. Hammond until years later. And the way he found out was bananas.

And just to show you how far under the rug they were pushing this thing, everything in the paper like at the time was about the videotapes or whatever. Nobody publicly was connecting this guy to Peggy Hetrick in 1995. And nobody was telling Peggy's family about him, even behind the scenes. Tom didn't find out about Dr. Hammond until years later. And the way he found out was bananas.

So the defense never knew about any of that. Not just the Hammond stuff, but like so much of what we've talked about. And in looking at the file, when I say there's more to be done, I mean, I also was coming across names of people it doesn't seem like they really dug into. A guy named Greg Case, who she was dating at the time. Derek Cordova, who she had gone out with in the past.

So the defense never knew about any of that. Not just the Hammond stuff, but like so much of what we've talked about. And in looking at the file, when I say there's more to be done, I mean, I also was coming across names of people it doesn't seem like they really dug into. A guy named Greg Case, who she was dating at the time. Derek Cordova, who she had gone out with in the past.

A guy named Tim Matthews, who apparently liked Peggy and was jealous of Matt. And I'm not saying those guys had anything to do with anything. But to me, those are people who were crazy. clearly close to her, who hung out with her, who maybe were with her in like times leading up to her death. They were in her circle. I know.

A guy named Tim Matthews, who apparently liked Peggy and was jealous of Matt. And I'm not saying those guys had anything to do with anything. But to me, those are people who were crazy. clearly close to her, who hung out with her, who maybe were with her in like times leading up to her death. They were in her circle. I know.

And so when I say that more can be done, like I don't think we can just rely on DNA and like call it quits. I think there's going to have to be legwork. And I think there's still a lot of legwork that can be done even decades later. Right.