Ashley Flowers

And so when I say that more can be done, like I don't think we can just rely on DNA and like call it quits. I think there's going to have to be legwork. And I think there's still a lot of legwork that can be done even decades later. Right.

So we did get some partial profiles and none of those matched him. So there were some important ones. There was one on the front waistband of Peggy's underwear and everything we have comes from touch DNA. Right. There's there was no like semen or bodily fluids. And I think their thinking was that the killer likely was the one who pulled her pants down. So maybe they'd get touch DNA.

So we did get some partial profiles and none of those matched him. So there were some important ones. There was one on the front waistband of Peggy's underwear and everything we have comes from touch DNA. Right. There's there was no like semen or bodily fluids. And I think their thinking was that the killer likely was the one who pulled her pants down. So maybe they'd get touch DNA.

Then they got some samples from under her arms, coat, boots, pants. There was a single full profile on her sleeve. But like, guess what? It turned out to be the police who weren't wearing gloves. So cross that one out. And while it hasn't been on record that they've gotten DNA from like all three of the people I've talked about, right? Matt Zollner, Donnie Long, Richard Hammond.

Then they got some samples from under her arms, coat, boots, pants. There was a single full profile on her sleeve. But like, guess what? It turned out to be the police who weren't wearing gloves. So cross that one out. And while it hasn't been on record that they've gotten DNA from like all three of the people I've talked about, right? Matt Zollner, Donnie Long, Richard Hammond.

I do know that they got one person's DNA for comparison. And it is comparison, right? There's no full profile to put into CODIS. And one of those three people did match the touch DNA on the underwear. Not all the places, but the touch DNA on the underwear. And that was Matt Zollner.

I do know that they got one person's DNA for comparison. And it is comparison, right? There's no full profile to put into CODIS. And one of those three people did match the touch DNA on the underwear. Not all the places, but the touch DNA on the underwear. And that was Matt Zollner.

Right. Like if it was Tim's, right, it totally would have been. Yeah. That's the question a lot of people are asking. And for Linda, she thinks it should be enough.

Right. Like if it was Tim's, right, it totally would have been. Yeah. That's the question a lot of people are asking. And for Linda, she thinks it should be enough.

Now, I think it's important to note that I don't think that at this point you can take a case to trial just based on that one piece of DNA. There's a lot that has to be explained at this point. I mean, and again, it's touch DNA. You don't know how it got there, when it got there. And it's only one of the profiles that was found on her. Yes. And we know that they had contact, right?

Now, I think it's important to note that I don't think that at this point you can take a case to trial just based on that one piece of DNA. There's a lot that has to be explained at this point. I mean, and again, it's touch DNA. You don't know how it got there, when it got there. And it's only one of the profiles that was found on her. Yes. And we know that they had contact, right?

Like they're going to dinner. They like they saw each other that night. Mm hmm. I think it is important. I think it is meaningful. And I think that is like when you talk about a lead that tells you where to focus, I think that's telling you where to focus. However, there is other DNA that's going to have to be explained away.

Like they're going to dinner. They like they saw each other that night. Mm hmm. I think it is important. I think it is meaningful. And I think that is like when you talk about a lead that tells you where to focus, I think that's telling you where to focus. However, there is other DNA that's going to have to be explained away.

You're going to have to prove it in a court of law, and there's legwork that can be done. You also have, when I think about DNA, the Missy Woods of it all. If anyone remembers our JonBenet Ramsey episode, there is a DNA tech in Colorado who was there from 90s to 2023. Mm-hmm. Her name's Missy Woods.

You're going to have to prove it in a court of law, and there's legwork that can be done. You also have, when I think about DNA, the Missy Woods of it all. If anyone remembers our JonBenet Ramsey episode, there is a DNA tech in Colorado who was there from 90s to 2023. Mm-hmm. Her name's Missy Woods.

So all of her cases are getting called into question. I don't know if she touched this. And I know we sent some stuff to Holland, but stuff was stored in Colorado. Some of it was tested in Colorado. Again, I'm only saying all of this because while I think this DNA is important, you are going to have to back it up with legwork.

So all of her cases are getting called into question. I don't know if she touched this. And I know we sent some stuff to Holland, but stuff was stored in Colorado. Some of it was tested in Colorado. Again, I'm only saying all of this because while I think this DNA is important, you are going to have to back it up with legwork.

We asked about that and people who believe that Matt did this, they think that maybe he was trying to like throw people off his trail by doing that. But the precision of it. I know. I know. And listen, who's to say there isn't a world where someone killed Peggy and then someone else came along and did something, right? Like...

We asked about that and people who believe that Matt did this, they think that maybe he was trying to like throw people off his trail by doing that. But the precision of it. I know. I know. And listen, who's to say there isn't a world where someone killed Peggy and then someone else came along and did something, right? Like...

Richard Hammond had insomnia and could see that feel from his bedroom window. I don't think he wants to call police and alert them to what he's doing in his place. You know what I mean? And I'm not saying I don't know. I don't know. The reason that a lot of things might not fit is because maybe there isn't just one answer. And.