Ashley Flowers

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Now, this is where you will want to be watching on YouTube. If you're not watching this episode on YouTube, we're going to post the pictures on the website and in the app for those listening there. The drawings become central to this case.

Now, this is where you will want to be watching on YouTube. If you're not watching this episode on YouTube, we're going to post the pictures on the website and in the app for those listening there. The drawings become central to this case.

Like, there's one with, like, it looks like a... They're all hand-drawn. One's, like, holding a head with, like, a gun behind it.

Like, there's one with, like, it looks like a... They're all hand-drawn. One's, like, holding a head with, like, a gun behind it.

Yes. Like... I don't know. When we went on tour, we would show the drawings. And, like, I don't want to downplay it. People would do this, like, collective gasp. More than we even thought they would. Yeah. They were, like, shocked by them. What I kept saying on tour is, like, I remember, like, middle school does not feel that far away. I don't want to do the math because it is that far away.

Yes. Like... I don't know. When we went on tour, we would show the drawings. And, like, I don't want to downplay it. People would do this, like, collective gasp. More than we even thought they would. Yeah. They were, like, shocked by them. What I kept saying on tour is, like, I remember, like, middle school does not feel that far away. I don't want to do the math because it is that far away.

But... I remember like the boys in my class doing these like weird drawings.

But... I remember like the boys in my class doing these like weird drawings.

Right. But it did not feel benign to these investigators. So as they're finding this stuff, they're sharing it with the cops interrogating Tim. And they take turns interrogating him alone over the course of nine hours.

Right. But it did not feel benign to these investigators. So as they're finding this stuff, they're sharing it with the cops interrogating Tim. And they take turns interrogating him alone over the course of nine hours.

Now, in all that time, Tim never confessed, never admitted anything, which in and of itself, I think it's kind of a miracle. Like we've seen people crumble under less pressure.

Now, in all that time, Tim never confessed, never admitted anything, which in and of itself, I think it's kind of a miracle. Like we've seen people crumble under less pressure.

Right. But Tim never caves. He swears he had nothing to do with this. And all they have are these drawings, which make them like sure that something is up, but they can't arrest him for drawing. So they have to release him, but they are convinced that he is still their guy. None more than a man named Detective Jim Broderick.

Right. But Tim never caves. He swears he had nothing to do with this. And all they have are these drawings, which make them like sure that something is up, but they can't arrest him for drawing. So they have to release him, but they are convinced that he is still their guy. None more than a man named Detective Jim Broderick.

And really, he's looking at a couple of things when he is thinking that Tim is guilty. I mean, first and foremost, the drawings. Second, though, at some point when Tim had been interviewed, it comes out that he knew that Peggy's nipple had been removed. Which to Jim, it's like if you, you know, stayed far away, which is always his story. And thought it was a mannequin. Yeah.

And really, he's looking at a couple of things when he is thinking that Tim is guilty. I mean, first and foremost, the drawings. Second, though, at some point when Tim had been interviewed, it comes out that he knew that Peggy's nipple had been removed. Which to Jim, it's like if you, you know, stayed far away, which is always his story. And thought it was a mannequin. Yeah.

How would you know that? The other thing he points to is that Tim's shoe prints were found in the field near Peggy's body. So he knows if he's going to build a case against him, he has to get more. And so what he does is he has the FBI do a profile, sends them everything about their case, all the stuff they have on Tim, drawings, all of it. Please do a profile.

How would you know that? The other thing he points to is that Tim's shoe prints were found in the field near Peggy's body. So he knows if he's going to build a case against him, he has to get more. And so what he does is he has the FBI do a profile, sends them everything about their case, all the stuff they have on Tim, drawings, all of it. Please do a profile.