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Ashley Flowers

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Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

She saw what happened and she was so upset by it because not only did she believe he shouldn't have been convicted in the first place, but then to watch these appeals, these systems we have in place for checks and balances to not work. She said she did get that feeling I was talking about earlier where it's like the system is so broken. What am I as one person going to do now?

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

She saw what happened and she was so upset by it because not only did she believe he shouldn't have been convicted in the first place, but then to watch these appeals, these systems we have in place for checks and balances to not work. She said she did get that feeling I was talking about earlier where it's like the system is so broken. What am I as one person going to do now?

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

To help it, even on the inside. Right. And she got so discouraged that she ended up turning in her badge. She had a complete career change because she just felt so overwhelmed by it. But it is just one person that changes everything in this case. And this is my like shout to crime junkies because it's not an FBI agent. It's not a detective. It's not anyone with a badge or a lawyer.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

To help it, even on the inside. Right. And she got so discouraged that she ended up turning in her badge. She had a complete career change because she just felt so overwhelmed by it. But it is just one person that changes everything in this case. And this is my like shout to crime junkies because it's not an FBI agent. It's not a detective. It's not anyone with a badge or a lawyer.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

It is a random CPA named Taylor Maris, who is just like you and me and everyone listening. One day he was watching this crime show, one of those crime shows we all grew up on. And as he's watching it, he's like he sees the drawings. Right. And he has this moment where he's like, oh, like I, too, made drawings. I wouldn't want the world to see. But like, I'm not a killer.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

It is a random CPA named Taylor Maris, who is just like you and me and everyone listening. One day he was watching this crime show, one of those crime shows we all grew up on. And as he's watching it, he's like he sees the drawings. Right. And he has this moment where he's like, oh, like I, too, made drawings. I wouldn't want the world to see. But like, I'm not a killer.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

And he said that as he's watching, he kept waiting for that moment for them to like show the thing that makes him guilty, makes him guilty. Like, what's the piece of evidence? And he's like, I'm waiting. I'm waiting. And then the show ends. And after it ends, he's like, oh, my God, like someone should do something. I should do something. And so he takes just that one next step.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

And he said that as he's watching, he kept waiting for that moment for them to like show the thing that makes him guilty, makes him guilty. Like, what's the piece of evidence? And he's like, I'm waiting. I'm waiting. And then the show ends. And after it ends, he's like, oh, my God, like someone should do something. I should do something. And so he takes just that one next step.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

He didn't know what to do. But his one next step is he wrote to Tim in prison. And he's like, listen, I see it. Like, how can I help? And Tim's like, man, I don't know. But if there is someone that can help, you have to get Linda Wheeler. Go talk to Linda Wheeler. So Taylor takes the next step and he writes to Linda.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

He didn't know what to do. But his one next step is he wrote to Tim in prison. And he's like, listen, I see it. Like, how can I help? And Tim's like, man, I don't know. But if there is someone that can help, you have to get Linda Wheeler. Go talk to Linda Wheeler. So Taylor takes the next step and he writes to Linda.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

Now, as you can imagine... Fort Collins PD is not like welcoming Linda back with open arms.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

Now, as you can imagine... Fort Collins PD is not like welcoming Linda back with open arms.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

Yeah, she's trying to like upend a case that they're like overdone with. It's solved.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

Yeah, she's trying to like upend a case that they're like overdone with. It's solved.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

So she ends up going to work for a DA's office with the understanding that she's going to work on Tim's case part time. Now, she knows by now a lot of time has passed. And if they're going to point the finger at someone else or even just prove Tim didn't do it, the best way to do that is DNA. Something they didn't have access to in 1987, but they do now.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

So she ends up going to work for a DA's office with the understanding that she's going to work on Tim's case part time. Now, she knows by now a lot of time has passed. And if they're going to point the finger at someone else or even just prove Tim didn't do it, the best way to do that is DNA. Something they didn't have access to in 1987, but they do now.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

And she remembers meeting this woman named Selma at a conference before. And Selma and her husband Richard have this independent lab out in Holland. And independent is key because at this point they trust freaking nobody. And so now the wild part is like they can't just go testing stuff like most crime junkies will know this.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

And she remembers meeting this woman named Selma at a conference before. And Selma and her husband Richard have this independent lab out in Holland. And independent is key because at this point they trust freaking nobody. And so now the wild part is like they can't just go testing stuff like most crime junkies will know this.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

But if you were wrongfully convicted and you think there's DNA evidence, you do not have the right to just test it on your own.

Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

But if you were wrongfully convicted and you think there's DNA evidence, you do not have the right to just test it on your own.