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Ashley Flowers

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Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

As if his, in my mind, as if his face were pushed into the bowl of water and then the water ran down the front of him when he was pulled out.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

It's cut and dry when someone immediately dies from drowning.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

This one is complicated because of the fact that Jojo didn't die right away, right?

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

In the hospital for days.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

During this hearing, the medical examiner testifies that there was water present in Joseph's airways.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

But that doesn't necessarily mean drowning because Joseph had been on a ventilator for several days before he died.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

And the ME testified that fluid in the airways can be consistent with prolonged ventilator use.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

So according to this ME, there is just no way to narrow down the list by testing for drowning in cases like this, which means the autopsy can say asphyxia, meaning he couldn't get oxygen.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

It can say that there is a concern for something, but it can't say how.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

The oxygen deprivation happened.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

Now, the state's argument is that if the toy chest theory doesn't work and drowning can't be ruled out and there is no trauma, then the only explanation left is that someone caused the asphyxiation.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

And the only someone in that house was Brandon.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

But the defense argues that it was an accident inside the toy chest.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

How are we still talking about this toy chest?

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

Like, it feels irrelevant at this point.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

I guess because the ruling is undetermined.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

And maybe, maybe because this idea about a kid dying by being locked in a toy chest didn't just come out of thin air for this case.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

I mean, I did a quick Google search and there are stories of children, mostly younger than JoJo, getting stuck in toy chests.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

And I think it's a lot of these like old chests that are often passed down like family heirlooms.

Crime Junkie
MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Joseph “Jo-Jo” King III

And they obviously don't pass like modern safety checks or anything like that.