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So President Trump has been pretty consistent about his feelings regarding illegal immigration to the U.S.

All illegal entry will immediately be halted and we will begin the process of returning millions and millions of criminal aliens back to the places from which they came.

But when it comes to legal pathways to immigration, Trump's feelings are harder to gauge.

The president has gone back and forth on H-1B visas, the ones for high-skilled workers in industries like tech and medicine.

He has said that he has himself used these visas to hire people, and he recently pushed back against Laura Ingraham of Fox News, a MAGA loyalist, to defend these visas from right-wing attacks.

You also do have to bring in talent.

Well, we have plenty of talented people here.

No, you don't.

No, you don't.

So why is President Trump supporting a program that his MAGA base doesn't like?

That's coming up next on Today Explained from Vox.

H-1B visas have been a simmering issue on the right for years now.

A couple months ago, we had The Wall Street Journal's Michelle Hackman on to explain.

She said there's been a lot of legitimate abuses of the program.

This week, we got Michelle back on the line to walk us through the latest.

She says this H-1B visa mess all started back in 2016.