Astead Herndon

How much are both parties responsible for the broken immigration system we currently have?

And what, if anything, should the next president do to fix it?

That's all today on America Actually.

Let's dig in.

So I'm scheduled to interview Arizona Senator Ruben Gallego in the coming weeks.

And he's been talking a lot about border security and immigration.

Now, typically, this means I will go off into some corner and write some questions about immigration that I will ask the senator.

But I want to do something different.

This time I want to ask questions that come from some experts and some friends.

Joining me now is Caitlin Dickerson.

She's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter from The Atlantic and my old coworker at The New York Times.

Personally, I think the best on the issue of immigration.

Thank you, Caitlin, for joining us.

Welcome to America Actually.

You know, as far as our premise on this show, we want to think about politics without Trump at the center, and I want to do that for immigration.

We know that Donald Trump has taken a hard line, a punitive approach to immigration,

We know the scenes that we saw in Minneapolis.

We know that public opinion has sort of shifted on this issue.

But so much of your work is about more than just an individual, but about a system that seemed to have been set up by both parties.

So that's kind of where I wanted to start.