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I better get used to having to pick between a douche and a turd sandwich because it's usually the choice I'll have. He's going to vote!

I'm trying to reconcile the thought of you don't have to choose a side, but I think... I don't remember if it was... I'm assuming it was Nick was kind of saying you should stand on your principles, right? Like reason, free margins, free markets. To me, that...

um that's i feel like this rhymes with choosing a side um and so i guess is there some way to reconcile like standing on principles and choosing a side because i feel like the bulwark i'm more of a reason person but you know from what i've heard on stage that the bulwark is saying well we have principles these principles lead us to i don't know much about you never trump so i guess is there some reconciliation made between these two ideas don't your principles pull you to a side is the question matt nick

Charlie and George, first of all, George, I want to say what you're doing with your podcast is so influential, not only for me, but I see it for all around the world. And for all of us conservatives that are here right now, the person standing right in front of us was living in a worldly view of life. And he changed his life for Jesus.

And we have a lot of us here on campus at Arizona State right now that call themselves Christians yet live in the way of the world. And there's something about being a Christian where you make space for him. You become like him. Then you live like him. And when we have, like, people coming up here and being vulnerable and sharing it and we're, like, spewing out, hey, we should love them.

They're coming here with a vulnerable heart to like share what they're feeling. And the Constitution was built upon the founding fathers that were like 55 out of 56 were like Christian, right? And so I just hope and pray that those of us listening to this message today, go to his podcast. Listen to it with like what he was talking about with Bryce Crawford. That was amazing.

I mean his testimony is like truly influential. Like it's insane. Somebody is willing to take his life and put their life into Jesus Christ to deny ourselves. But remember that this – I'm scared. Like I'm scared that after this, if we do lose this, like what's next for us? You know what I mean as a country? Because do we even really have swing states at that point?

Like where do we fall under as a country? Yeah.

And, Charlie, say we win, right? Are you going to be behind the Republican Party, or are you going to be behind DeSantis, or are you going to be behind a Vivek? How does this work?

I know he asked you this before. Would you ever consider running? Nope. Okay, I didn't think you would. I'm not running for anything. But other than that, guys, I just pray that one of us, not even one, that us as a nation, us as a country, would fall under the grace of God and that Jesus would have mercy for all of our hearts, even the ones that are hurting and searching.

that you would be found today. Thank you. That you put your faith in Tim, especially those frat kids. Whatever it is, guys, I used to live that life. I can't say I'm blameless. I'm certainly not. But I can say there's a better way.

And just because it might be scary because the world or your brothers in your fraternity or your parents might see differently, you're going to have a Savior and a Father that's going to call you by name and that's going to hold your hand the whole way through. So if you need this next step, just take a leap of faith today and go the next mile.

Amen. All right. Disagreements, guys? Thank you, bro.

Yes.

My best friend came here for school in the United States. He's now seen an alien on this planet, and he doesn't know who to speak to. And he's tried to kind of share his voice within his community, and people just kind of made fun of him for that. Sure. So what would you recommend to anybody if they see someone in the near future?

Hi, Mr. Greer. My name's Lino from the state of Illinois. I have read the Operation Blue Book findings from the 40s, 50s, and I believe it went even into the 60s. And in it, it claims that there were these men dressed in black from an agency they couldn't identify.

What you're saying, are you confirming what those who were involved in Operation Blue Book found and what they went through and was this separate government created after 1947?

Hi, Sid. This is Esty. I'm from Cottonwood, Arizona and from South Africa. Do you know Mr. Ally Marzulli? He speaks also about these entities.

Okay.

Yeah. Hi, my name is Christian. And I just wanted to ask, given all the if all the suggestions you have put, go forward, and we go into this golden age, what does that look like? You have talked about about military, but what does it look like for the average day person? And just overall society?

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Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

...from that Donald J. Trump of the state of Florida received three votes for president and J.D. Vance of the state of Ohio received three votes for vice president.

Madam President, the certificate of the electoral vote of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania seems to be regular in form and authentic. And it appears, therefore, that Donald J. Trump of the state of Florida received 19 votes for president and J.D. Vance of the state of Ohio received 19 votes for vice president.

Don't rely on a corporation that don't want you, in a sense. And they don't care, you know. You don't need a number.

First of all, actually, before I saw you at Carolyn LeVitt at the White House being introduced there, I've actually never heard of you. I like that.

I'm an engineer, okay? So how did that feel displacing a lot of the other, let's say, big networks like ABC, MSNBC, that kind of thing?

Yes, the Steve Bannon's, the Newsweek, yeah, the Newsmax, yeah.

100%.

I was wondering, this is a question for both of you. How did you feel about the security, the death threats, like going from college to college or going to different places and all those people attacking you? Because I want to stand out too. I don't want to sit back and see all this happen. But if I have a family, I don't want to get killed in the process. So I want to know... I want to know.

Scott Jackson, growing up, I learned at a young age that everything was cyclical, whether it was the economy and recessions, or politics went left, they went right. I think we're in a period where you know, clearly that has changed for a longer period of time. The cycles have extended, whether it was COVID or, you know, the crazy election.

I'm wondering, because I can't extrapolate out into the future with journalism. Is journalism going, is it dead? Is it going towards podcasts completely and ABC News and 60 Minutes and all that is going to, they're going to go out of business? I'm sure you guys have thought about it. So the question is really for both of you.

Where do you think journalism, since journalism is basically dead now, will integrity revive? Because thankfully, Charlie, in your 15 year plan, I think that will have a lot to do with it. So thank you very much, Charlie. But both of you, where do you think it's going? Can you speak to that?

My question is more of curiosity. You raised the point of furries and having litter boxes in schools. So my question is, how far does this mental illness really go? Have teenagers, because I work at a high school, a Christian high school, and I'm well aware of the psyche of a teenager. Have teenagers actually pulled down their pants and squatted over a litter box and pooped.

Really?

And then they use their hand to cover it up?

And then I was like, do they lick their hands afterwards like a kitty cat?

How bad is it?

Oh, that's... I'm sorry. I'm surprised, too. I'm surprised and shocked.

And it's appalling.

Well, you should get to know it. Yes. As parents, do we have resources out there? I know the leftists are quick to respond to anything, but... like you were talking about with the high schools, I'd like to have a lawyer look into the high school that my son is going to. I'd like to change their mascot name. It's called the Demons. It's Greenway High School, just like ASU has Demons.

And I'm just... wondering, do we have resources available to us that we... Is anything out there that we can take action? I mean, we talk about it, but what are we willing to do? Are we willing to walk and act on it? But the resources are not there as far as I'm... I don't know any of them there. Yeah, you mean like legal resources or... Just to start the ball going, legal, you know, anything.

I mean, the left is so organized. They have... at every level, they, if they're attacked, they know how to, they have everything to back them up. But we as believers, you know, where do we start?

Hey, how are y'all? Thank you for coming. My name's Aaron and I go to the college at this church. Personally, you know, I had a question, you know, for like chasing your dreams because ESPN was like your dream. And if you had any pointers, I'd appreciate it.

Music and preaching the gospel. You know, I feel like that's a God-given dream. And like, you know, I grew up watching Billy Graham. So, and just putting those two together probably. Jesus is, sorry, go ahead.

Right?

Hi, thank you both for coming tonight. I appreciate you not only being here, but also standing up for truth. My question more revolves around the Jay Cutlers of sports in general. I would assume you know a lot of athletes, and Charlie, I would see that you would know a lot of athletes.

And from what it seems like, they have enough to pay for security, they have all the fame they can ever need, and money to last them a lifetime. Why don't they stand up and actually say something on a conservative point of view? Why are they sitting back and watching this happen, not unifying around truth?

Hey Charlie, thank you both for being here. I just wanted to ask a question in regard to something that was asked earlier. While I believe the government and media are filled with useful idiots, why should we believe the mainstream media is dead and isn't just taking on a new form with new faces? I worry that this is because the left plays dumb, so we underestimate them.

This way they can get to us and conservative media to misreport false news created by them to discredit us. For example, some of the details surrounding the murderer Carmelo Anthony.

All right. I just want to say I'm a senior pastor for a church in southern Utah, and we stand with you without a doubt. I'm supposed to ask you a question, but that's what I came up to tell you. My question is, how has this helped you in your walk with Jesus?

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I mean, of course it doesn't happen.

Because it's an analogy. Analogies don't happen. That's the point of analogies.

an abortion, but okay. Okay. Let's say like, I think the reason you're trying to avoid this is because you realize that the government, let's flip this hypothetical around.

I would not do it now, but okay.

I would. But, okay, the difference here is that... That's your pro-life. No, okay, here's my distinction I wanted to make, though. Thank you. I think there's a very important distinction to be made between thinking that abortions are good versus thinking that women should have the choice to have an abortion.

Because in our scenario, the mother-daughter, you can argue that the right thing to do, the thing you would want to do, or the thing that I would want someone to do, is to donate the kidney and save the daughter. But I think there's kind of an instinct that for the mother, some sort of autonomy, bodily autonomy perhaps,

is stands in the way and basically says the government cannot enforce her to do that even if it's the thing that we would feel is right for her to do so what what about that situation is is it is it the mother's dna what do you mean is the baby in her her dna well in my first analogy i guess yeah but like like but it's a separate human being right so every human being should have separate protected universal rights

Does the mother have the protected universal right to not have her kidney taken to go to the daughter in this scenario?

Don't you think a human who is physically entangled with another human has the right, purely on bodily autonomy, to do that? If someone else is reliant, plugged into my body, do I not have the right to disconnect that and retain it?

You do not have a right to do that. If you woke up tomorrow and someone was plugged into you, reliant... Again, that's not going to happen. Use a real example. But you're not addressing the root issue here.

If someone comes up to you and is trying to cause you bodily harm, like trying to, I don't know, not kill you, but trying to attack you and cause you harm, do you have the right to defend yourself?

I mean, in a way it is, right? The baby... Okay, let's say... Is the baby breaking and entering? In an instance of rape.

I don't think so.

Right. I'm down.

How did the baby probably accidentally hold on accidentally?

had sex.

Where?

Okay, but if you, I think there's a distinction between, there's a distinction between if you're trying to have sex protected or unprotected.

Okay, if you get on a plane and the plane crashes, can we say that you consented to die in a plane crash because that was your intent?

Generally, yes, but I think... Generally, except, of course, when it involves sex. Of course, people should take responsibility for their actions. But in the scenario where your body is being used by another entity, your body... Your argument would have a lot of merit if babies just appeared.

So you think in cases of rape, abortion should be allowed?

Yes.

There's no distinction. Exactly, because they're both human beings.

I don't know. You don't know because they're a human being just as the same. Human rights are universal. The conception doesn't matter and the human rights of the mother are also universal. The bodily autonomy. If you're going to say... Then come on.

Like I said, like I said, there's but being pro-choice is not necessarily being pro-abortion. It's just pro the right.

Yes.

No, because that would infringe my bodily autonomy. Bingo.

Because that being in her is infringing upon her bodily autonomy. If I was infringing on your bodily autonomy, you could murder me. If I came up and tried to attack you, you could murder me.

Yeah, and when they're birthed, they rip a hole in the mother, and there are a ton of side consequences that could come out of that. There's all of these... It is reliant on the mother's body. It's biologically the same as the past.

Okay. The bodily autonomy of the fetus does not trump the bodily autonomy of the mother. No, it's equal.

Yes, but the fetus is already infringing upon the autonomy of the mother.

It's a human.

I was a, yes. Okay, great.

It does as long as it's not infringing upon another human's rights. Wait, hold on. Time out.

No, because

Because you don't think that there is a difference between the baby after it's born versus the baby... What's the difference? Okay, because while it is in utero, while the woman is pregnant, it can cause the woman physical harm. It is life-threatening. There are a ton of cases where it can cause all kinds of things to happen, and it is physically hooked up into your body.

It incapacitates you to some extent.

But you don't think you don't think there's a fundamental difference when they're physically connected?

I don't think so, but do you think... Well, how is it any different than what it's in utero? Because it's not bodily autonomy. Do you think they would have a right to go pull someone random off the street and hook up the baby into that person's bloodstream because the baby would die otherwise? If the NICU machine doesn't exist, what do you think?

Okay, if the NICU machine didn't exist and you had to pull a random person off the street to save that baby's life... Again, none of that is even remotely relevant and hypothetical.

I'm not arguing that.

So I still think, I really don't think it would hurt you to answer the original analogy. I think you see where it would go, that you can't infringe upon someone's bodily autonomy in order to save someone else's life. Do you agree with that?

It is, but the government has the right to do that to uphold the nation, right?

How? In the same way as fighting a war?

The government's right to be able to do that, I think, needs to be justified by some reason that it affects the government. It doesn't affect the government to terminate a baby in pregnancy.

I'm not saying it affects nobody, but I'm saying in the same way you're saying it affects people in the same way that the government not being able to have an army does.

You think it's a moral crisis?

Yes, in times of national crisis. And therefore, again, I even reject... What is the national crisis that results in having... Murder, a million a year.

Okay. Right?

Okay.

Okay.

I understand. We remember it. I know a lot about the Holocaust.

Yes, it was a crisis.

The unborn, the baby, the fetuses. Hold on, you said baby, therefore it's murder. It's a baby, it's a baby, whatever you want to call it. I still think if, okay.

I think the big distinction here is that that baby, that child is still infringing upon someone else's body using their body. And I think the owner of that body

Of course I'm glad.

Do you want to give the gift? What about, there's mothers... There are mothers that die in medical situations all the time.

Those children would be raised in...

That's not the point I was trying to make.

No, I started with the bodily autonomy thing.

You granted for a moment there. You granted for a moment the thing about...

When did Roe v. Wade start? Like 60s, right?

Okay. From then until now, until Trump banned abortion, what national crisis has arisen? Has there been like a national crisis because all of these babies have been aborted?

We didn't lack scientists or politicians because of unborn babies. How do you know?

55 million, I don't know if all of them wanted to have an abortion, but millions of women didn't want to be pregnant and were forced to continue being pregnant against their will.

Hello, Charlie Kirk. I hope you have some fiery responses for me. I don't know about that. Before I ask my question, I just wanted to say to the vegan conservative wherever he is, I thought he had some great moral points, but I do still love meat, even though I think he's right. But anyway. I consider myself a proud American patriot, and my question for you revolves around January 6th, 2021.

You would consider Donald Trump to be the law and order president or candidate, I would assume, from what you've said in the past.

How do you feel about Donald Trump commuting the sentence of Dominic Pozzola, who was the man who stole a riot shield from a police officer on the Capitol grounds and was the first person to enter the Capitol by using said riot shield to break through a window in the Capitol?

Are you familiar at all with the results from the January 6th committee?

Have you read it?

You read the part about the Proud Boys and their plans.

Does that entirely invalidate everything that they found?

I don't really see why that matters.

It's kind of bizarre. That does not dispute the actual evidence, the text messages they found that were between members of the Proud Boys. that were coordinating what they were going to be doing on January 6th.

I think that Donald Trump had a plan for months before January 6th. I'm sure you're aware of the false lace of electors that he sent to seven different states.

And you should be because it was a stain on American history.

Joe Biden also gave us a booming economy.

Donald Trump is currently tanking our economy and also tanked our economy in 2020 when COVID hit. He locked down this country. All those school closures that you were complaining about were done by Donald Trump.

I don't really care for Kamala Harris. I think Joe Biden was a great American president. I don't think Kamala Harris was a great candidate.

I think you do when you have criminals like Donald Trump who are going in saying that we are going to weaponize the Department of Justice to go after people like Hunter Biden.

So Donald Trump is a criminal because he was charged and found guilty of multiple crimes. Oh, you mean the New York stuff? Oh, so you mean that we just shouldn't trust any judicial system unless it's done by the people that we are in favor of? Well, so tell me the details.

I'm not here to talk about that.

But I don't see how that changes anything that happened on January 6th.

I think that the act Donald Trump did beforehand was an insurrection. I don't think what happened on January 6th was an insurrection. I think it was the delaying of the peaceful transfer of power, which has not happened in American history before.

That's because I actually believe what I'm saying, unlike what I would assume you do.

I think there's a lot of things you don't.

Well, I was able to actually watch what happened on January 6th and feel disgusted where you think those were just American patriots protesting the election.

How does that negate in any way the people who actively broke in and were the first ones inside of the building?

How does that have anything to do with Donald Trump pardoning all the violent offenders on January 6th?

So for the people who committed violent crimes, that's just perfectly fine because they did it for him?

I'm saying... I thought that Donald Trump was the law and order president.

Hey, Charlie. Before I ask the question, I just want to say on behalf of everyone here, thank you so much for coming out. I think we all appreciate it. I tend to be pretty economically free market oriented, and so maybe you know where this is going. I have a question on the tariffs. In all fairness, I don't fully know where you stand on this.

I do think you're broadly in support of the tariffs, but I had a couple of questions on that. First of all, What do you think of how the Trump administration and Trump in particular squares the idea that a trade deficit broadly means that we're getting ripped off or he's equated these in the past? For example, you have a trade deficit with your grocer.

We have a trade deficit with maybe Madagascar. I don't really see why that means we're getting ripped off per se because our market's just far bigger. We have a lot more people that want stuff from there. I don't see why that's an issue.

Yeah, on the national security front, I broadly agree, but then I have a couple of questions. First of all, do you think that tariffing China, I completely understand. What do you think of the idea that you tariff China and you tariff all these other nations, that's going to push them to establish stronger ties with China? That is a risk.

Right. And so I guess just one more point. If it's to do with national security strictly, then why did we have an exemption on the tariffs for the Taiwan, the semiconductor stuff? Because I feel like that would be the number one. One of the number one national security interests, but I guess that you might say that it's an interest in protecting Taiwan.

Can I have one last question on South Korea, for example, where they're coming and they're striking a deal? We already had a free trade agreement in South Korea, so what would be the purpose of us imposing these huge tariffs on South Korea and then negotiating and coming back down to zero?

Hi, my name is Samantha. I just want to say, excuse me for looking at my phone for notes. No worries, whatever. I want to talk about, have a good discussion about abortion.

Yeah, sure. I'm currently agnostic normatively. I'm leaning towards pro-choice in the virtue of the facts that I take it that pro-life views ultimately fail in accounting for relevant data, being the facts of the conversation, like biological, philosophical, and identity information. And I'm not convinced that identity is reductible down to the physical properties or the organism.

I think we are our mind.

What do you mean?

I think our identity is down to our mind, yes.

Yeah, the mind is just going to be like sentience.

I think they fail because, like, I don't think that the being, like, one is at conception is the same being that they are now. And I don't mean that, like, descriptively. I take it that you are, like, your mind. And before a certain week in gestation, there is no mind or sentience, right? And thus, no person, just physical properties. And that would eventually be informed by that said mind.

Yeah, I just said that mind is like sentience, like having a human subjective experience.

Yeah, I'm not persuaded by pro-life views that we are reductible down to our organism.

I didn't say that they were less of a human for having Alzheimer's. And to the question, because they have... Yeah, so people with Alzheimer's still have the capacity for subjective experience. I wouldn't say that... They can't remember anything. Memory isn't sentience, no.

Yeah, it's not going to be the... I'm not going to say that the full capacity for sentience is going to be what grants them that moral consideration. I'm telling you that any level of sentience, which is why I hold a cautionary principle, but at any level of sentience is going to grant them moral consideration.

What do you mean, human life?

It's going to be at conception, yeah.

Yeah, human life begins at conception. I'm not contending that.

Why should they?

That's begging it, the question.

No, you're just telling me what the human is. You're not telling me why they should deserve race.

You're going to have to explain as to why abortion is going to be the unjustified unaliving. You're just telling me that it's because murder is inherently unjustified. You're just telling me that it's inherently unjustified. You're going to need to tell me why it's unjustified.

Yeah, it's intuitive, but you're going to need to tell me why abortion fits within that unjust category.

DNA.

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

Yeah, I didn't say any of that, but sure. So do you think that... Okay.

That's okay. Do you?

Yeah, so I said that we're reducible to our mind. Our mind is what makes our identity. And I said my contention was that we are not reducible to this, like, organism.

This deduces back... What do you mean by being?

Yeah.

Okay, sure. I was asking simply because some people denounce being to be personhood. That's all I'm asking, okay? But sure. So are you familiar with a partial molar pregnancy?

Yes.

Okay, a partial molar pregnancy is where one egg drops and two sperm go in. And it's going to basically create this like ball of fat, but it's still going to be human, alive, and obviously of the human species. Should the mother be obligated to carry that partial molar pregnancy?

I don't know enough about that.

Okay.

So I can get back to you on that one.

Okay, sure. Do you think, what do you like value? Do you value it being like a human being?

Yeah, why are they inherently valuable?

Either one's fine.

Okay, sure. Yeah, so the idea, I believe, that God grounds this intrinsic value in a fetus, I don't think satisfies that. Human, yeah. I'm using them colloquially. I'm not using them to dehumanize. I'll use child, baby, whatever. Because intrinsic value is also expected under the atheistic hypothesis.

So I don't know what kind of argument you're making here because, unfortunately, God itself is just not going to ground that a fetus is inherently valuable.

Yeah, and I have contention with it. It is grounded under atheism, too.

I believe we're valuable because of our sentience, yeah, sure.

After it's born?

In utero, no. I don't find it to be morally considerable before sentience.

Yeah, so are you making like a potential argument?

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Okay, yeah, so I think you're making this like it has the potential to actualize sentience, sure. But also, if it's going to gain sentience in three weeks, I just said no. It's not going to be morally considerable to not be unalived or killed, sorry. Um, but, uh, yeah, so I kind of forgot one point that you made. What was it?

We are more than just, I remember the point that you made about the baby. Um, yeah. So, uh, we gain sentience in the womb. Are you aware of that?

What's the argument for nine to ten weeks?

Yeah, brain waves.

Yeah, what is the argument that brain waves are sentient?

Yeah, so sentience is going to be the subjective experience where you can have interest, desires, and motivations. And I find it that, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Yeah, so I find it that they have the subjective experience. And I said it can include things like interest, desires, which is going to include people like you or me. And we have interest, desires, and motivations. Yeah. So I also find that they're going to have a subjective human experience at, I'd say, within the second trimester. I don't hold 20 to 24 weeks or after that.

I hold a 12-week cautionary stance because we know that they don't gain sentience in the first trimester. Let's just do this all the way.

Yeah, so we have proof that they're sentient on the basis of their thalamocortical connections. It's actually a faith claim. And their conjunctions with their cerebrum.

Are you going to make an argument for that?

How?

How don't we know?

Are you going to expand on why we don't know?

Yeah, sure. I'm going to make the claim on the basis of, like, I didn't agree. I was just saying, okay, sure.

But anyways, so I'm going to make the claim on the basis of empirical data that we have thalamocortical connections that work in conjunction with our cerebrum that is going to allow us to have thoughts, desires, and motivations and have the human subjective experience, which those, the mind, sentience, is what makes us able to have complex intelligence and higher rationale as humans, right?

Does seeing consciousness matter? We see it in their neurological structures and mechanisms.

Hi, Charlie. They just pulled me from outside, so I wasn't even prepared, but here I am. So my question's on immigration. Considering the U.S.

has caused instability in a whole host of countries around the world that leads to violent conditions that people have to leave, and then they therefore come to the U.S., do you support creating faster paths to citizenship and also keeping families together that here are in the United States?

So if I understand you correctly, you don't believe in a faster path to citizenship?

Why is that?

Okay, so considering the United States has always been a country of influx and not outflux.

Absolutely.

Sure. I mean, we did start on colonization, absolutely.

I think, well, the difference is if you're displacing the people that originally take that land, if you're using force to displace the people that you are now taking the land from.

That's not true. That's not true. They displaced and killed thousands of natives.

Sure, because the United States government killed people for them so that they could then take the land.

I'm not saying that.

think that immigration is currently benefiting the U.S., is what you're saying?

I think that the anti-immigration rhetoric you have is not new. I think that you try to paint a picture of it being this current phenomenon that we're facing, but there's been rhetoric from your side for a long time, throughout the entirety of history. I mean, if we look at the immigration policies in the US,

Even though Chinese immigrants built the entire Western Railroad, there was still the Chinese Exclusion Act because they were providing insane value to the United States, but we still had these exclusion acts because of xenophobic attitudes. And so this is not a novel idea that immigrants are bad for the country.

So I'm interested in why you think that all of a sudden we need to change the way the United States works.

Okay. So you don't think that the MAGA movement has led to xenophobic attitudes at all?

I mean, just like you said, you said, I mean, we're living in a divided world. You don't think that comes from people being anti-immigration?

If you don't use it. If you don't use it. I don't know that you're committed to finding its strength.

None, but I'm not saying that we have to get more divided.

Sure. But I think that what you're talking about, this like mass shift in American culture is like not happening. I think you're fear mongering. And also, I think that the United States forever has been a mix of culture. I don't really know like where you can point to a time in the U.S. history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture?

We had the Bracero program back then where we brought in tons of laborers from Mexico to the United States to work in agricultural, and that's how we fed the United States. I I really don't think that you can say that.

Absolutely. I'm glad you brought this because I wanted to circle back to my original question about the United States creating instability in the rest of the world. I do think that every single politician, like let's say I'm the prime minister of South Africa, you know, my... Which is an incredibly anti-white country.

I was just an example. Anyway, let's stay on topic. So let's say I'm the prime minister of a country. I do agree with you that my first job is that country, for sure. That's who I'm leading. But considering the United States has created mass violence, instability, and poverty around the world, you don't think that we have some sort of obligation to the people who then have to flee from that?

Why not?

In all of Latin America, in different countries, in Africa, places like the Philippines that we colonized, Puerto Rico. Have you not heard of the US's intervention in tons of different elections?

You don't think that Puerto Rico is colonized?

So the Puerto Rico was taken from the Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar farm for years where the workers were paid less than a dollar per day to create sugar for the United States. And it's not really about statehood or independence. It's about letting Puerto Rico decide that for themselves. And anyway, this isn't about Puerto Rico. No, it's fine.

So you don't think the U.S. has intervened in a negative way in other countries?

But it's not... But to look at American accountability, you have to look at the whole of that accountability. And to say that certain countries are less developed... purely on their own fault is to ignore history.

And the one place that- Have you ever been to those countries?

And you don't think that U.S. intervention has anything to do with that?

I don't think so, because the United States has two times the military of the rest of the world, and it has been in our DNA to intervene in a military way in other countries.

I'm saying that the United States needs to be held accountable. You can't meddle in our country.

If you are going to mess up that country, you have to do something about it.

Maybe, if you're the reason that they have to leave.

But that's like, you invade and then

And in the case of El Salvador, the United States was the reason that the country broke down into gang warfare. And now if you look at the way they were able to turn around, they had to declare a state of emergency just to be able to turn things around.

No, sir. I'm looking at bad things that they have done and calling for accountability.

Again, I... Maybe we disagree. I don't know.

The mass deportations are extremely dangerous to our country morally, economically, and for how they allow for the erosion of our civil liberties. How can you support the mass deportations and Trump's broader immigration policies without despite his lies, disinformation, and inherent contradictions with his other actions. I can provide several examples if you would like.

I think it's a civil violation.

I think that you probably should fine them, and I think you should know where they are, but I don't think you should put them in jail or necessarily deport them.

But not all of the people that you're calling illegal immigrants did that. Some were granted TPS by Joe Biden.

If you're looking at the law, does it say for Mahmoud Kamil...

I think they're wrong.

No, I don't agree with that. Hey, you said no heckling. It says no heckling.

Sorry, man. I was just saying that that's Nazi America.

Yes.

No, no, man. I mean, I'm just saying, like, because mass deportation really just is like cleansing the land.

Yeah, man, but law is not a moral compass. Yes, it is. Justice is greater than the country, greater than money, greater than God. Justice is the human universe.

Yes, it is. You're tripping, bro.

I was going to give you a different question, man.

I wouldn't say it's breaking in most of the time. No, it is. I would say, like, I mean, dude, because, like, if other countries are economically bad and they're coming here... Like, they want to come here and work.

I get you, man. No, I get you. But, like, law is not a universal, like, thing.

My boy, I really wanted to ask you a different question, man.

I'm sorry. I would not. It's okay. I want to ask you, do you think it's okay for us to proclaim ourselves land of the free, what the world's highest prison population?

Huh?

You're tripping, bro.

I'm sorry?

What about the dirty pigs that kill people?

I mean, dude, we're like... Yes. We're up there, bro. We're like ranked number seven in the world.

We're ranked seven in the world killings by cop. We're the only industrialized nation in that list, man.

I'm saying death by cop.

Can I say something to you? What? As a... How are we, like, how do we proclaim to be, like, Second Amendment conservatives? Don't laugh at me, bro. So how do we claim to be like that, dude?

How do we proclaim to be, like, conservatives, Second Amendment, gun-loving people? But, like, we give, like, how do I say it? I mean, I completely disagree that police and military should not be the only ones with guns.

Citizens should be allowed? Yes. So why would I have to call the cops if I got my own gun? You know what I mean?

No, no. Oh, yes, you would. I invite anybody to attack me. I invite anybody to attack me.

No, they would not help me. Probably not.

What about rehabilitation? Can you rehabilitate a murderer? I mean, a lot of your veterans come back. You know what I'm saying? Like, can you rehabilitate them to come back?

It's OK to kill. It's OK. It's OK to kill people outside the country and then come back in.

But we were just saying that we wouldn't like... You wouldn't allow a draft. Would you be okay with a draft?

Would you be okay with a draft nowadays?

I want to ask you something else.

I'm really sorry to interrupt everything.

So much for free speech. Let me ask one more question, please, guys. All right. Dude. Just let him.

Final point. Free speech, whether you like it or not. All right. Anyways, can I ask you something, though? So, dude, if we were to consolidate all the police budget in the country, it would make the second greatest military. Are you okay with that?

It's just if they are, you know, if they are ranked second in the world with this, if the police budget is number two in the world to be the greatest military, I would think they're like the internal occupying army in the U.S. It's not just people of color, man. It's going to get to you guys too, man. Like, for real. No, it actually won't because we followed the law.

Do you follow the law, actually?

Like, I would smoke weed before it was legal. You know what I'm saying?

I think there's some horrible trade-offs. There's some horrible trade-offs.

I'll reiterate the question.

All right. The mass deportations are extremely dangerous to our country morally, economically, and how they allow for the erosion of our civil liberties. How can you support the mass deportations and Trump's broader immigration policies despite his lies, disinformation, and inherent contradictions with his other actions?

I think that it should matter the context for why the person is coming. For example, we have asylum seekers, and the process is they're supposed to go into the country and then claim asylum. That is international law, and if you are being threatened in your home country, you should claim asylum for your life and the life of your family. We should not necessarily inherently turn those people.

That's an opinion. You're going to state that's an opinion.

Okay.

I mean, we take into account their age and other factors around it. Yeah, we do. So basically, if somebody is super poor and can't feed their family... We do do that, though. If someone has practiced good behavior, that's why we have character references. We do that for criminal justice. That's what you said.

I mean, that's your own moral judgment. It depends. I think that if you would die... No, no, no. Listen to me. I think that if you were going to die, if you do not steal a loaf of bread, it's okay to steal a loaf of bread. I think that if you were going to break into another country because someone has a gun to your head or they're going to kill your family, it's OK.

Just monologue. Can I respond at all? Yes, we're over time. Then we've got to wrap up. Okay. Do you then think it's okay to deport the illegal immigrants without due process? They get due process. No, no. They do not get due process. They do not get to prove that they are citizens when they've been deported.

That's why an American citizen was deported, and that's why a permanent resident was also deported.

I was saying both.

I'm not talking about Mahmoud Kamil.

Not every right has been applied equally.

Not every right has been applied equally.

I think we should increase the amount of immigration.

You have to allow them their due process.

Hiding behind? It's one of our constitutional rights.

You processed the Cuban right earlier when talking about the January Sixers.

It's a human right only for Americans? That doesn't make sense.

It applies to all humans.

Yes, we do. That's what the Constitution says. No, it does not.

It's affirmed.

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What's up, Mr. Kirk? How are we doing? I've been a fan of you for about six or seven years. Awesome. It's totally nerve wracking. But hey, I'm honestly feeling duped by the Trump administration. I feel like they're not totally delivering on their promises. Right. And I think the biggest promise was mass deportations. Right.

And, you know, the ICE Instagram and Twitter accounts, they made a big stink about it. They're posting like, you know, a thousand deportations today, 2000 today, then slowly started to trickle down. And I know Trump called ICE or something and was like, hey, pump the numbers up or whatever, but it just doesn't seem like it's going to materialize.

And it looks on paper that Obama is going to pass him. He's going to have more career deportations than Trump. $14 million.

illegal aliens came over the border during biden's term right and it looks like we're not going to make a dent in that i mean susie wiles the campaign manager she came out chief of staff but yeah chief of staff yeah chief of staff yeah okay chief of staff she came out and she said if we get three million deportations it'd be a success but there are 40 million illegals in the country i know there are judiciary problems but isn't there something trump can do i mean i can't i'm not the only one that's feeling good i'm not

I'm part of the extreme right.

Yes, yes, 100%. I totally support that.

Yeah, totally.

I mean, it's a big deal. But I mean, Tom, Tom Homan came out and he said, hey, we're not going to be rounding up people in the street in vans. And I'm like, how else is it going to get done? I get that would look bad. It'd be a terrible look, bad optics, but it's got to get done somehow. And if Trump doesn't do it, how is it going to get done?

Hey, Charlie. I'm a freshman here majoring in aerospace engineering. First of all, I just want to say I respect your ability to engage in civil discourse. I think that's very important, and I think a lot of the times we on the left kind of get into shouting matches and start ostracizing people not to our advantage, so I respect that.

That being said, there's a lot of things I disagree with you about. I think I want to talk about abortion with you. I've never debated that before. It's a fan favorite. I know, and I've seen some of your stuff on it. I'm sure you're familiar with J.J. Thompson's argument about abortion, the violinist.

Okay, so I want to propose a slightly different take on that, maybe a variation. So if there's a mother and a daughter, the daughter can be a teenager, 20, whatever, and let's say this daughter has some kind of condition or organ failure or something where she needs a body part from her mom, like a kidney transplant, and only her mom is capable of giving her that kidney transplant.

She's the only person for DNA reasons or something. Do you think that mom should be required legally by the government to give her kidney in order to keep the daughter alive? Otherwise, the daughter dies.

So why is it not analogous?

Okay, so let's say, okay.

Okay, so the mother has to give up her kidney for nine months and then she gets it back.

It doesn't matter.

I understand. But if, okay, let's say the mother has to be.

Okay, the mother has to be hooked up into the daughter's bloodstream for nine months.

I don't understand. Like what part, I understand it's theoretical, but what part of this analogy is not analogous?

Hi, Steve. My mom is your biggest fan. She watches you every single day. And so, Marsha, hi. I represent an organization called Hindus for America First. We mobilized over a million Hindu American voters to support the Republican Party and America First candidates, including Donald Trump.

And one of the concerns that we wanted to bring to the president, and he actually tweeted about it or posted about it on X, at the end of October was the persecution of religious minorities in Bangladesh following the fall of Sheikh Hasina. There are Christians, Jews, and Hindus being persecuted by the Clinton Foundation darling, Muhammad Yunus, And I would love to know what you think.

I know you said Donald Trump is not a churchy man, but what will he do to protect religious freedoms and religious minorities?

Hey, Charlie. Thanks so much for taking my call. Here in Texas, we have the worst rhino problem with our new Speaker of the House. Do you think that we will be able to help with any of Trump's agenda items and... Will Governor Abbott veto any of the bad bills that they try to get through? And then what do we do about boroughs and primarying everybody that voted for him or censoring him? Sorry.

Thank you.

Yes, that's correct.

So we had David Cook running for Speaker of the House. He was in our Republican caucus. That's what they voted for. And Burroughs went with the Democrats, got their vote, and got a bunch of RINO Republicans to vote with him, including my rep, Charlie Guerin, which sucks anyway. And so we now have a RINO...

as our leader of Speaker of the House, and I'm worried about him and any of the bills that Trump needs through and if Abbott will veto any of the bad ones.

Hey, Charlie. How are you doing? Good. How are you? Good. I just got my signed hat, so thank you for that.

So I was wondering, with all your experience going to colleges and debating students and things like that, what are some of your best tips for debate?

Good morning, Charlie. So last year, I was kicked out of my social work program at my Catholic school. for saying men should protect women, disagreeing with pronouns, and wearing a real Women's Day shirt. They said that I was not a good fit for social work, basically. And then I've reached out to a few legal organizations, and most turned me down because it's a private school.

However, Pacific Justice Institute turned me down because it's a Catholic school and they don't want to look bad by suing a supposed religious school, even though they support religious liberty. So my question is, how do we keep or make religious institutions religious again?

Oh, oh, yeah. You know, I found you and politics last May, you know, which reinforced my beliefs. And I decided I knew that social work was liberal and I knew going in it was going to be tough. But I couldn't. I couldn't give in. It just doesn't make sense. And, uh, going through the process of being kicked out, it was a month long process, roughly a little longer with the appeals.

Um, but that's, that's one of the main, uh, things that brought me closer to God. Um, and now, you know, I'm reading the Bible every day in a Bible in three, six, five with your, your wife's help. So I appreciate that. But yeah, that, that whole thing. Oh, yes it is. But that whole situation is, um, Probably the biggest reason I've come back to God.

I'm here. Sorry, I had to unmute. So I just have a question regarding California. So I'm a part of a five eleven media group. It's a new grassroots organization and we're trying to do what you guys did. And, you know, across the nation, what Scott Pressler did in Pennsylvania here in California. And, you know, we're hustling. We're talking at organizational meetings. We're doing all the things.

But I know California is a different animal. So I was just wondering with your expertise, what things do you recommend that we need to do different here as opposed to different states in the union?

Oh, hi, Charlie. Can you hear me?

So it's a little bit nosy, and I apologize, but I had heard you on Thought Climb, and they had mentioned that you and Erica possibly met at the very first Trump rally? And only with what you're comfortable sharing, can you go over that story? I would love to hear it.

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

Okay. So my quick question, but do you support multiple different types of questions? Yes, okay. Sorry. Do you think that Trump giving buyouts to air traffic control and FAA employees is a good idea, especially for all the plane crashes going on right now?

I agree that the government is too bloated, but I feel like air traffic control is very important for safety and should not be cut, and instead look at alternatives. I will note, one of the things I know is that during COVID, the training center all employees have to go through in Oklahoma is closed, so it's going to take a while for new employees to get the four-year training to fill back up.

So I want to know what is your solution to this problem because I don't think what's happening right now is exactly great because of all the plane issues.

That was also the one in Toronto that happened.

Yeah, but it came from Minneapolis, so it's a weird case.

I agree, even though I don't think that's the cause of the crash.

Also, do you agree with Trump's recent take? I think it was yesterday or the day before with on Ukraine starting in the war. We all saw the headlines the day that Ukraine, I'm sorry, Russia invaded Ukraine first. So I felt I want to know. Why do you think he said that Zelensky started the war?

I think it really depends on the situation. If the intention was, hey, let's go all the way to the north Mexico to then eventually invade Texas or California, probably, but— Currently, even though that's not the case in Europe, though, there is NATO.

Okay. I'm just saying I'm a big NATO supporter, but I can see where you're coming from. Thank you.

Okay. Do you think that Doge will succeed in cutting the debt? Recently, a bill by Republicans for this year's budget is being considered and will increase the debt ceiling and might increase the debt with the tax cuts they are proposing. I'm someone who agrees with someone like Javier Millet is doing in Argentina, where he is cutting out government institutions to reduce the debt inflation.

But it seems like this bill I mentioned will increase the debt and is going in typical And it's going the opposite of what Doge is proposing.

I do think that some Republicans, with the increase in the debt ceiling, are going the opposite of the goals of Doge, which is to decrease the debt and try to get a fiscal surplus back. And if we're just going to keep increasing the debt ceiling, then we're just going to get into more debt.

How would you say we should like when will you eventually know this is too far? We should start decreasing the debt.

The coolest thing I did on board was to be able to participate in a – LGBTQ spoken word night. And I was able to read a poem that I wrote to the whole ship. And that was probably the culmination of the whole deployment. This whole thing is done.

If it's a signal of acceptance and respect, how do we go about creating a safe space for everybody involved?

Another way that we could show that we're allies and that we accept everybody is to maybe include our pronouns in our emails or, like we just did, introduce ourselves using our pronouns.

Not a day goes by that I'm not grateful to be serving at this period of time. Being able to undergo a full gender transition is Beyond hormones, laser hair removal, Botox, lip injections, hair lowering, like literally cannot be more thankful to be alive now.

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

Hi, Charlie. I'm Ken from Florida. Great to see you. Thank you for your deep commitment to God and to our country.

Well, thank you.

I wanted to hear some comments from you on election reform. We hear a lot of it during elections. We haven't heard much lately. A question is, is it possible for President Trump to do a written demand to the states to change and be consistent with specific guidelines for elections to maintain their flow of income from the United States government to the states?

Right.

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

Hey, Charlie. I'm just curious your thoughts on Gavin Newsom made the announcement that California is already doing Dodge, only better.

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

Those senior leaders with DHS and ICE took time to speak to reporters and they basically accused the Biden administration of what they're calling, quote, cooking the books and lying basically to the American public about how many illegal migrants they actually arrested. The Biden administration reported more than 100,000 arrests in fiscal year 2024.

But the senior leaders say the numbers are deceiving. That is because the majority of these arrests are what's called pass-through arrests, meaning they pass through ICE, then were just released into American communities pending those immigration hearings. Thank you.

Trump is like he is moving so fast. They are doing a lot. It doesn't it's not just the perception of it. They hit the ground running in a in a serious way. It's like genuinely impressive, impressive in a dark and sinister way, but it's nonetheless impressive.

And if you're turning on the news every day and hearing about all these different things Trump is doing and all the different criticisms coming out of it, you may not like all of it. But like in comparison to how people felt about Joe Biden being basically absent. felt. I imagine for a lot of people it's a welcome change.

And honestly, some of this is pretty annoying because it's some of the stuff we should have done. Right. Yeah.

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