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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast, designed to help bring those four key Stoic virtues, courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom into the real world. Hey, it's Ryan. Welcome back to another episode of the Daily Stoic Podcast. The dates for Australia are all booked. I'm gonna be there in October. Our travel is all booked. And I was talking to my kids. I was like, hey, are you guys ready?
I'm gonna be doing talks. And they're like, where are you doing your talks? And I was like, well, I'm gonna be in Sydney. And they were like, is Sydney the place where the fire alarm went off right before you went on stage? I was performing at Sydney Town Hall two Julys ago. And yeah, right before I was supposed to go on, they just loaded everyone in, the fire alarm went off.
And I just totally forgotten about it, which was hilarious. Actually, here's a clip from that. So I'm like five minutes before going on stage to do my talk here in Sydney. And then the fire alarm went off and we've all had to evacuate. The whole place is empty. They just let me back in.
It's never a dull moment, which is actually what I'm gonna talk about a little bit in the talk, which is that you gotta roll with the punches. You can't let it shake you. You just gotta deal with it. It's funny, right? Like you could talk about stoicism, but if you do anything out in the world, if I was getting there talking about, I don't know, black and white movies.
I'd still have to be stoic in response to the fact that right before I'm about to go on stage, something goes totally sideways and I'm not in control. And I just have to figure out how I'm going to respond. And how do I make sure that doesn't throw me that the fans are already a little off? They're a little frustrated. Things are late. Actually, not only... Can I not let it ruin it?
I have to figure out how to compensate for it and make things better as a result. And, you know, here I am two years later on my way back and I get to tell that story and share for you. That's one of the perks of being a writer or making YouTube videos or podcasts. You can always use this stuff as material.
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Chapter 2: How can we keep our ego in check during successful times?
And in the meantime, I just want to keep doing what I love doing. And I'd keep doing it if the audience was half as big. or 10% as big or 5% as big. Maybe if it got to a certain level, I'd stop publishing it and just do it for me. But I'd still be doing the thing because I get the value out of doing it.
Ryan, sitting next to my boss, definitely offered a few of the negative feedback compliment sandwiches in my time. Mate, Discipline is Destiny, definitely one of your best books to date. Thank you so much for that. Oh, I appreciate that. One thing which really surprised me was the passage on psychedelics. And it seemed to have... You conflated it in a way with the opioid epidemic over in the US.
Granted, a lot of people do misuse psychedelics, but considering the abundant... Research showing the positive impacts into things like anxiety, depression, PTSD, and addiction. Tens of thousands of years of humanity using these things, if not longer, compared to the havoc which is wreaked by things like opioids, benzodiazepines, alcohol, and so forth. Could you please expand upon that passage?
Sure. Yeah, look, first off, if you're suffering from severe trauma, you have treatment-resistant depression, if you are really going through it, you've tried everything, I have no interest in judging you or what you're working on or whatever works, right? Everyone should go on their own journey. should find the things that help them improve, that change.
The human mind is a wonderful thing and it's also a terrible thing. And if yours is torturing yours, I fault no one for finding solutions. What I was just trying to say is two things. Number one, I am always very skeptical when people have a thing that they say is the magical solution to all of their problems. And then two,
I've talked to a lot of people that have done psychedelics, and I would just say I haven't heard a single thing from one of them that is not in every philosophy or religious text. These are basic assumptions or insights that humans have unleashed over thousands of years, also of tried and true experience. And so... Is there obviously some difference between knowing them and knowing them?
Yes, and if psychedelics help someone get that, again, I've got no problem with it. What I dislike is a lot of people who are definitely not doctors telling people to fuck with their brain chemistry at dinner parties because it's the key to enlightenment and insight. I find that to be very alarming.
I happen to know a lot of those people who have built big platforms around it and that unnerves me.
Just remind me of what the Stalwicks had to say about navigating profound loss in terms of losing loved ones.
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Chapter 3: How does Ryan Holiday view the impact of public perception on ego?
He buries half of his children alive. Seneca buries his only child. He writes a series of very beautiful essays. They're a series called Consolations. He writes one to his mother when Seneca's exiled. He writes another to the daughter of a friend who had died, uh,
The idea that the Stoics were unfeeling, that they were unaffected by loss or pain or grief is to me totally belied by these beautiful moving essays that I reread when I lose someone, that I pass to people when they ask me this question. There's some of the most beautiful, profound writings that the Stoics have ever produced.
My favorite one in one of the essays, Seneca is writing to this woman who lost her father. And she's talking about how the memory of him, you know, every time she thinks of him, she just breaks down crying. She's so upset she can't function. And he says, look, your father loved you a great deal. obviously, he wants to be remembered by you.
But if you told him, he says, if he's up there somewhere, you could tell him that after he died, that his memory, whenever you thought of him, it brought you crippling sadness and despair. He'd be like, what? That's not how I want this to go at all. We don't want people to be glad that we're gone. But Our memories should be something positive, right?
And I think if you can... I just think about that all the time. What would this person want me to think when I think of them? And so... The Stokes are not saying you feel sadness and loss. Stuff it down. Don't be a weakling. Some of the only stories we have about Mark Surrealist from other historical sources involve him crying over the loss of people that he loved.
The Tudor, he weeps over the victims of this plague, this devastating pandemic that he experiences. So the Stokes were not unfeeling. They were not brutes. But they did try to try to when they were overcome by those feelings and when they were crippled by them, tried to go, okay, let me think through this.
Let me question some of these assumptions and how can that help me move on and process these feelings instead of denying them? Thank you. Yes. Hey, it's Ryan. Thank you for listening to the Daily Stoic Podcast. I just wanted to say we so appreciate it. We love serving you. It's amazing to us that over 30 million people have downloaded these episodes in the couple years we've been doing it.
It's an honor. Please spread the word. Tell people about it. And this isn't to sell anything. I just wanted to say thank you.
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