Austin

Yeah.

And like even with people.

So this friend, Richard, who is meeting Michael for the first time, felt so manipulated in that and whatever he was going through at the time that he meets Michael and then he's led to suicidal thoughts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It shows how intense it was.

So a next former follower is Moses Storm, and he's actually a comedian in L.A.

and also Michael's relative who grew up under his intense beliefs.

He was also featured in that Investigation Discovery docuseries, and according to him,

Michael would threaten his followers, often claiming that the world would end at any moment.

He said, My older sister would have these visions, and she would start hitting her body just to stop.

Moses was the fourth of five children, and Michael Waranecki was his mother Kathy's uncle, so it was his great uncle.

And before he was born, his mother was fairly popular in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

She then met his father and got pregnant, and this is when they first became interested in Michael's teachings.

And then they had five children whom they raised under his ideologies.

And I don't think it's a coincidence, too, that this is now two families.

Both had five children.

I think Michael had six children.

But you kind of see these are a bit bigger families.

And Moses said, unless you were in it, you don't understand the amount of control that Michael Waranecki had over us.