Ava Berger

And then talking to that other woman who met Epstein and Maxwell on the campus, she was also able to fill in some gaps for us that we wouldn't have known otherwise.

So I think the interviews is the really key part that we needed to take it a step further.

We couldn't just rely on the documents.

Yeah, it was really difficult, Adrienne, especially because talking about this can be re-triggering and bring up thoughts that she might not have had for a really long time.

And another part of it that I didn't know, I mean, we see all this reporting on the Epstein files and we see a lot of the victims speaking out and wanting the Epstein files released, but there are people who...

were part of that world who do not want anything to do with this anymore.

Who really... Who want people to understand what they went through, but seeing the photos of Epstein and Maxwell everywhere is not a good feeling.

And I didn't realize that there was so much nuance there.

These people are not a monolith, and that was really what we got from talking to her.

That...

You can want your story shared, but not want your name out there and not want to be the center of attention with all of this.

You might just want to be living your life.

It's been years now, and you want to move forward.

Hours.

It's been...

Very, within the alumni community, it's been very large.

People have reached out to us and shared stories from that time period.

And I think in general, people are really horrified.

There's a sense that this camp is so, it's a camp and a school, is so beloved among people.

And it's just so, a place of such happiness.