Avi Loeb

I don't think going to Mars is necessarily the ambition that we should have.

That doesn't excite you.

No, it's just another rock, and it's even worse than ours.

Right, it's worse.

Just thinking, it's not comfortable right now.

It's a desert without an atmosphere, no liquid water on the surface.

Just think about if we were still with the chimpanzees in the jungle and someone would look out and say, oh, we use the bananas on this tree, but in fact there is another group of trees that we can get, but they have less bananas.

Let's go there.

That's a good point.

That's Elon Musk.

So where do you go, Enceladus, Europa?

No, I say we build a space platform.

Now, you may say, well, that's a lot of money, but... Unlimited resources, what do you build?

Yeah, so we invest $2.4 trillion a year on military budgets.

I say, if we decide it's a priority because we saw a spacecraft from another civilization or just because we see the light, we allocate $1 trillion a year.

I think within this century, we will put the best architects, the best physicists,

uh and the best engineers on this project we will be able to design a space platform that is the size of a city okay roughly the size of three eye atlas right uh kilometers in size and the

generate conditions that are comfortable for humans, for many generations of humans, and maybe by then we will also solve the aging issue, so there could be humans that live throughout the journey.

But it's just a matter of priorities, and it will be the Manhattan Project on steroids.

but it will reflect an important insight into the future of humanity that is better than investing the same amount of money it's not like the money is not there the money is there we invested in either trying to kill other people or prevent other people from killing us that's what we are doing putting the trillions of dollars every year to that purpose i'm saying let's okay we can still keep doing that if you enjoy the mad wrestling they enjoy it yeah