Awino Okech

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It's not happening in the church. It's not happening in the spaces in which these people are socialized. And what they're hearing as part of their socialization is talk from the manosphere. What are they tapping into?

Heillä on vähäinen itsevastaisuus erilaisista syystä. He tappavat nuorten ja lapsen kanssa todellisia mielenterveyskokemuksia. He tappavat nuorten ja lapsen kanssa, joissa sosioekonomiset tilanneet ovat vaikeita. Työskenteleminen on suuri. Ihmiset eivät ole resursseja elää tärkeää elämää.

So rather than the absence of a state that provides you with good, proper, livable conditions, it is women who are the problem. And those vulnerabilities are the same across the globe. They just look different in different contexts.

And what do you think is it about Andrew Kibe in particular? How would you categorize his influence? He does have a significant group of men who think he says things that are sensible and they believe in. I think that he has found the ability to feed into ongoing insecurities in the society. And let me give a very specific example to land this.

When you have a country like Kenya where there are significant unemployment rates for young men, and you have young women in that society who are being killed for dating older men, what men like Kibe whip up is this idea that those young women are dying,

Because they're chasing older men because of financial wealth. These young men, on the other hand, don't have that financial capability. And this is the reason why these women do not like them. Now, it is interesting as well that a sub-narrative that a lot of the manosphere also lifts up in this dynamic is around how to build your economic capacity, right? Because they argue that is the only thing women respect. So if you have a lot of money,

Then you're going to get these women and girls, but also economic stability or economic wealth gives you the capacity to exercise all kinds of control and violence because money speaks. So it feeds into the narrative that these young women who are being killed are dying because of their greed, and it feeds that misogynistic factory that is going on within the Kenyan context here.

What do you see as the main real-world consequences of this content? We are ending up with a society of young men who are being fed the idea that the only way to be a man is to be violent, whether that is through sexual violence, verbal violence, how you treat women. That's a real-world consequence.

In terms of the next generation of men in our society who will end up leading our countries and propagating these same ideas into the laws and policies of how our countries are governed. So do you think that rhetoric will correspond to trends in violence towards women? I absolutely believe that it corresponds to trends in relation to violence against women. It does. You cannot disconnect it here.