Azeem Azhar

And, you know, I came away with the same experience that I think many people do, which is, first of all, things are similar but different.

So all the apps are very different.

But the second thing is a lot of things work and they work really well.

I mean, I was in the most stunning electric vehicles and there were all these other automated gadgets that were running around, making life quite interesting.

From your perspective and what you see and you read about in the US and you talk to people, what is the thing that they most get wrong in trying to understand China?

Yeah, I was certainly not suggesting it's a fool's errand.

I think it's more one needs some humility about understanding what you're seeing.

I mean, it doesn't feel like a communist country in the five or six days I was there, right?

It felt like, you know, a rich capitalist Asian country with nearly as many CCTV cameras as some parts of London.

I wanted just maybe to finish on this.

I noticed you've got a poster of the Manhattan Project.

behind you on your wall.

Tell me about that.

And is there anything that we can learn from that project as we think about public policy today?

I'm so glad you asked.

I love the ambition.

I love the ambition.

So with my last question there for that, if in 2030 things are getting better rather than getting worse as they have been for the past couple of years, what are the one or two things that either side will have done between now and then to get us to a place that you would consider better?

Given this complex scenario, I'm glad you're hopeful.

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