Azeem Azhar

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View · Why China builds while America debates, with Dan Wang · 1 Oct 2025 podcast

broader more distributed approach towards I mean not yeah this is not about not producing the best model or better models but it's more about saying you know we can diffuse this across our economy we can find ways to use it more quickly and

And it's not dependent on these bigger and bigger models.

So I see this distinction.

I was thinking back to just how important open source became in China.

You know, it's been something that's been important for 20 years.

It was certainly part of a recent five-year plan as something to anchor around.

And it seems to be one of the distinctions between

what's happening in the US, where I do think we see some genuine efforts at really hardcore innovation, and what's happening in China, where I think we're not seeing exclusively fast following.

I think we are seeing very rapid iterations bouncing between these other labs, the Kimmy's, DeepSeek, and Alibaba, and so on.

And through that, seeing an accelerating cycle of innovation.

And the paths seem to be quite different at this point.

Well, I think you're being a bit unkind on PowerPoint there, Dan.

But I think the point about power is really, really critical.

I mean, we've seen the tremendous, tremendous demands that AI data centers of 2025 are already putting on not just the US grid, but the supply chain and the regulations that slow things down.

And I wrote an op-ed in the New York Times at the end of last year about this 19th century technology, which is, of course, electricity, and how it's so fundamental if you want to reach an AI future.

And what we see in China, as you say, the ability to deliver nuclear power, solar batteries and high voltage direct connections.

And the numbers are quite staggering.

I was trying to figure out the theory as to why this had happened.

And part of it is that energy is prosperity.

And any society that is moving from poverty to prosperity, from an agrarian society to an urban society, just needs lots of energy, right?

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