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Azeem Azhar

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

And in the last couple of weeks, there were changes in leadership at OpenAI, not the chaotic changes that we've seen over the past year with co-founders leaving, but Fiji Sumo, who's a very, very well regarded executive, was previously the CEO of Instacart, has come in to be the CEO of applications in OpenAI, a

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

requiring another AI company to bring the founder there on as CTO so that Sam Altman can, rumor has it, work on the big framing of open AI and global AI infrastructure.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

So there is something that is being put together around thinking about how do we build an organization that can take advantage of our technology, our brand, our distribution, and our growth rates.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

To get to that $1.5 trillion number, it implies big increase scale in the business.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

But when you turn back that $174 billion revenue number in 2030, you take off Microsoft's cut, whether it's 10% or 20% by that time.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

and you turn that into multiples, it looks a little bit expensive, certainly more expensive than Meta is today, but much cheaper than, say, a Tesla is today as well.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

So the bit that surprised me in all of this when I did this pencil maths, and actually I looked at some other people's work, was that there is sort of this credible path.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

I mean, it's not impossible.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

There is a path towards that number.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Of course,

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

to be doing $170 billion of revenue in 2030 means that the market has to be much, much bigger than that.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

So how big could that AI market be?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Well, today, although it's relatively hard to measure estimates of the generative AI market in 2025,

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

end up as between about, let's say, $40 and $45 billion across infrastructure and apps, which is pretty remarkable considering there was none just a few years ago.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

It means that OpenAI probably has a rather less than 30% share.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

If they held that share through to 2030, that would imply $550, $580 billion in AI spend.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

If they lost some of that share, which

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

would seem reasonable as competition emerges, that would imply an even bigger market approaching about $850, maybe $900 billion.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Again, I'm estimating these numbers a little bit.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

None of this is financial advice.