Azeem Azhar

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View · Why China builds while America debates, with Dan Wang · 1 Oct 2025 podcast

It could be that I've not spent enough time with them and they're not going to be candid with me.

What is your interpretation about how the people in these two different countries in those roles see each other?

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Well, I think American information is easier to access because we've built a layer of decades of journalism and reporting and analysts who filter it and take it across.

And I would guess that the

level of English speaking amongst Chinese entrepreneurs is higher than the level of Mandarin speaking amongst American entrepreneurs.

So there is that sense.

But you raise an interesting point about the mRNA vaccine and we could add the smartphone or GPS.

These are things that have emerged from the American innovation stack running from

human capital development from the education sector through to the way government has funded things early through to venture capital.

Has the Chinese stack produced anything that is comparable and are the conditions perhaps getting better to do that if they haven't?

There's something in that, the notion that the value really accrues at the point of diffusion, right?

And one's ability to diffuse it in the economy.

And if it's something that has protocols or standards, you want to diffuse those protocols and standards as well as the Americans did with IP and other internet protocols back in the late 80s through the last 30 years or so.

And it's the diffusion that actually impacts the prosperity and the welfare and security of your people more than the early invention.

I think that's something that we can think about when it comes to AI, because when we look at what's happening in artificial intelligence, I see very, very distinct etiologies in the US compared to China.

You know, in the US, if I interpret it, it's a all-hands-to-the-pump system.

race to build better and better, bigger and bigger models that are more generally capable, that might reach something that some people call AGI.

And what I see perhaps in China is a

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