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Azeem Azhar

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Today, OpenAI's revenue run rate is approaching $12 billion per annum, and it's likely to end the year at an annualized rate that'll be closer to $20 billion.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

It's growing incredibly quickly.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

In 2023, it had revenues of about $1.6 billion.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

There have been a number of leaks of the investor decks that OpenAI has been shopping around to the capital markets.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

And a recent one showed that they were forecasting $125 billion of revenue in 2029.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

And actually, that was an increase on a previous leak, which had had that number of $100 billion.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

And by 2029, they will finally be profitable.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

They'll be generating more than $12 billion of free cash flow.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Later leaks suggested that even at the point at which they're raising revenues of $125 billion, they're still growing pretty quickly.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

What does that mean in terms of profits?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Well, the leaks that I have seen, which have been in the mainstream media, don't talk about how

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

OpenAI envisages its profit levels in 2029 or 2030, but roughly EBITDA, which is a key measure of that, is roughly the free cash flow, plus and capex, minus depreciation and amortization.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

And if serving costs

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

of serving these complex models fall through the use of efficiency techniques, improved algorithms, improved routing, custom silicon.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

We just heard today that Broadcom is going to be building specific chips for open AI.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Tens of billions of dollars of EBITDA could be plausible by the end of the decade.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

And on top of that, for the bull case, ChatGPT has become the cultural shorthand.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

It is the hoover of vacuum cleaners, the Kleenex of tissues.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

In that sense, people say, I'm using ChatGPT, or occasionally they say, I'm using Chat.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

That brand is really, really important.