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Azeem Azhar

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

It has this relationship with Microsoft that involves licensing the technology.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

It involves distribution on Azure, which is Microsoft's cloud platform.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

And OpenAI has to share right now 20% of its gross revenues with Microsoft.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

through to 2030.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Now, OpenAI has indicated they want to push that down to about 10% by the end of this decade.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

So you have this very complicated, complicated, but a little bit unique setup that has with it a bunch of risks.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

You know, what if that relationship really doesn't work out?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

If we think about that benchmark discussion, you know, you put your money somewhere else.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

To match NASDAQ over five years, that 17% return,

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

coming in at $500 billion would imply you'd need a trillion dollars at the end of 2030.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

But that's just to match a longstanding stock index.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

As I argued, you need to add a risk premium to all of this.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

So call it 25%, so an 8% risk premium on that.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

At 25%,

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

OpenAI would need to turn into a company of a scale of $1.5 trillion by 2030.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

Now, that's a big, big company that is somewhere between Tesla, Broadcom, and Meta platforms, all established companies in the case of Meta and Broadcom, with really substantial revenues and quite low multiples.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

So my gut reaction to all of this was, there's no way this could be the case, right?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

That was what I was thinking while I was on my phone, walking home, did some mental maths, and I thought, hey, there's no way they can get there.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

But when I sat down with Excel and a pencil and paper and went back over my own model of open AI, I started to think through whether that gut reaction was right.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
My OpenAI thought experiment: $500B to $1.5T?

And so here's a bull case, just presenting a little bit of maths.