Azeem Azhar

It's sort of nested in a sort of hidden IP.

And the thing about Claudebot is that it is open source and it will run with any underlying models.

It doesn't have to use an anthropic one.

I was using an open source model.

And I read something on X.

And I don't know if this is true or not, but it gets to a mindset that I think you touched on about the App Store and surveillance apps, where somebody said, I've set Claude Bott up and I've given instructions to message my wife once in a while with empathetic messages.

She's been talking to it for two days.

I haven't looked at a single one.

And this is a proliferation question.

So

You know, you've worked a lot with governments.

I mean, before you were at DeepMind, you were doing a lot of work in very difficult policy areas.

So when you hear yourself saying we need governments to be brave and you look at the governments that there are, you look at where we can and can't get agreement now.

I would, hearing that, be thinking that probably can't be the route we have to take.

We may need to find some other way forward if this risk is as grave as you suggest.

When I get a chance to move to Singapore, I'm going to do that.

But let's come back to what you can do, right?

You as a technologist, you've run this team.

What can be designed?

What have you seen a team produce and say, this is crossing my seemingly conscious AI boundary.