Azeem Azhar

under pressure from AI that the amount of graduate hiring there is, is going down.

So what should we make of this?

Is this artificial intelligence and its early effects on human work?

Or is AI just a convenient excuse for bosses looking to manage their costs?

To explore this, I've asked Ben Zweig of Revelio Labs to join me.

He is one of the more thoughtful founders and thinkers on the topic of the labour market.

And in this moment in time when the BLS, the Bureau of Labour Statistics, has gone dark and become unreliable, Ben's work at Revelio Labs is providing a private sector take on what's happening in the job market at

large.

So Ben, I hope you're going to be able to bring some clarity to this confusion and join me as we jointly explore what's happening to the world of work.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Let's get started with what the headlines say.

You know, the headlines for a decade have talked about the threat of automation to the world of work.

I think it's now been 12 years since my friend Carl Frey and his collaborator Michael Osborne published that famous paper

about the way in which machine learning might affect human tasks.

And as we move into 2025, we are starting to hear stories.

The entry-level job market in particular seems to be collapsing.

When you look across your data at Revelio and give us a moment to understand what data Revelio looks at and gathers, what is the most accurate description of what's happening in the labor market?

That is such a fair summary.

And I'm in danger of agreeing with you too much.

So you're going to allow me to push back on a few of those observations.