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Azeem Azhar

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5487 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

I say it has to have two components.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

Number one, there needs to be a significant market correction.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

It needs to be beyond the 20% bear market.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

It has to be 40%, 50%.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

And one that sustains for a long time, the dot-com bubble market correction sustained for 15 years, the housing bubble for seven or eight years.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

But the second thing to distinguish this from just speculators getting too excited is

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

is that the productive capital investment that drove the bubble in the first place also has to decline significantly.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

And what we've seen in previous bubbles is it really needs to be 50% or more.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

So I'm looking for two tests, a decline in market valuations by at least 50% for a few years, and productive capital for this technology dropping by about 50% again for a few years.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

Well, I lived through both of those.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

And I remember during the dot-com bubble, somebody broke into my office by climbing up the fire escape to pitch us their business to look for investment.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

I mean, so that is a moment that I hope will not be repeated.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

During the

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

housing crisis, I had to get to know the face of Angelo Mazzillo, who was the CEO of Countrywide Financial and a subprime lender with a great tan.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

And for some reason, he was on my TV screen every single day.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

It was absolutely spectacular.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

And unfortunately, the reverse was true of his mortgages.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

You see these characters, you see these moments.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

The similarities with the dot-com are that this is being driven by venture capital, by Silicon Valley, by the promise of a new technology that will reinvent the world.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

We thought we might create a new nation in cyberspace back in 1999.