Azeem Azhar

behind you on your wall.

Tell me about that.

And is there anything that we can learn from that project as we think about public policy today?

I'm so glad you asked.

I love the ambition.

I love the ambition.

So with my last question there for that, if in 2030 things are getting better rather than getting worse as they have been for the past couple of years, what are the one or two things that either side will have done between now and then to get us to a place that you would consider better?

Given this complex scenario, I'm glad you're hopeful.

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I'm Azim Azhar, Exponential View.

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Well, what is a bubble?

I mean, that's the $10 trillion question.

And I would say I probably agree with a lot of what Paul said to you.

In my mind, a bubble needs to be defined very, very crisply.

It's not just vibes.

So...