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Azeem Azhar

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
6838 total appearances

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

And I identified this idea, although I didn't have quite the pithy communication that you have, technology is a substitute for globalization, that there are technologies that will do the job that globalization used to do.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

And that would be things like

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

3D printing or vertical farming that allow localized production, particularly of food.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

But also, I think critically, the change in the energy system.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

So you buy solar panels once, they last for 25 years.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

You buy batteries, they last for much longer than we ever thought.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

And you don't need to be a vassal to a sort of a petro state.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

And that, I think, does create an interesting path for countries like Bangladesh or Pakistan or Vietnam, where a lot of their sense of sovereignty and ability to develop is about their access to energy.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

How much energy catch do they have as an economy?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

How many energy services can they actually use?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

And in the last

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

Two years in Pakistan, there's been this remarkable change driven by the falling cost of solar panels, which has meant Pakistan has become one of the largest importer of solar panels and broke the link between measured grid delivered electricity and GDP growth.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

Because businesses could not be bothered to sit behind brownouts and blackouts and went off and bought solar panels to keep their businesses running.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

And I think that there is this possibility where the declining cost of this technology can provide

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

a much more affordable energy sovereignty for the long tail of the world that is not energy sovereign, especially smaller and poorer countries.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

And the first kilowatt hour of consumption a family has in a day from zero is the one that delivers the water pump, the refrigeration, the lights.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

the charging of the smartphones and could make a big deal.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

Now, of course, that is me, Paul, as an absolute relentless optimist about the human condition and where we can go.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

But it is sort of one bright spot that I look at.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
AI, markets, and power: A conversation with Paul Krugman (2025 re-run)

A quick note.