Azeem Azhar

One of the things that we see are

state pronouncements, you know, the state council in China saying we want 70% deployment for everything from industrial applications to philosophy by 2027, and that to be 90% by 2030.

So a focus on deployment.

How do you, how do you interpret that melange of messages?

That's really important because it feels to me that there are different versions of techno-accelerationism.

There is a techno-accelerationism that comes out of Silicon Valley, which is really about building AGI, then ASI, then ASI that builds itself.

But there's also policy accelerationism.

And as a slightly distant observer of China,

What I see is a type of techno-acceleration on the deployment side.

Get it out there, get it used, an acknowledgement that there's going to be job losses and labor market ructions, but a willingness to push past that.

And perhaps that type of techno-accelerationism can occur in a society with the political controls that China has.

And to your point, the politics, if not the permitting for power,

might slow things down in the US or other parts of the West.

I love the way you describe that as systems' ability to deal with the speed of change, because that, of course, absolutely allows us to say there's an American system and a British one and a Chinese one, and they all face challenges when change is accelerated rapidly, and that gets expressed in different ways and their control mechanisms are different.

but it's still a deep, deep problem.

Now, earlier today, actually, while I was prepping to talk to you, I read this great essay by Kaiser Quo.

I don't know if you've seen it in the last day or two.

This is relevant for the question of systems.

So he's an analyst.

He's a podcaster as well.