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what had happened in terms of propaganda and Hitler and all this, we set up a bunch of structures that created journalistic standards and fact-checking and clear lines between opinion and fact.

And now we've got –

Media is just as concentrated, but none of the rules, right?

Right.

And it can feed some of our worst impulses and tell each segment of people out there, just feed back their own biases and prejudices back to them and make money on it.

This whole point about corporations, this is something I've been thinking a lot about also, is that I do think so much of what's been driving

political instability everywhere is this widening massive gulf in opportunity, wealth, income within countries, between countries.

I mean the idea that some people now have three, four hundred billion dollars on their way to a trillion dollars.

You've got ordinary people still trying to figure out how to eat and pay the rent.

That is driving a lot of this.

Part of what I think we have to spend more time thinking about is some old-fashioned values that aren't based just on money.

and how much you got, and material concerns.

I am somebody who believes that market-based economics is actually not only the best way to create enough stuff for everybody to be okay, but I also think it's tied to freedom.

State-run economics generally don't work very well.

But so much of our culture now, so much of what we teach our kids is geared around buying stuff and having stuff and posting it on Instagram and then- Right, it's winning to some people.

Right, winning is now defined solely by material goods, how much you got, and to some degree, fame.

That's become another currency, right?

Right.

And I do think part of-

what our conversation needs to be more about is, and it used to come out of the church or the stories we told our kids was this sense of, oh, you know what?