Barbara

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Yes.

Yes.

What is he saying?

What is he saying?

What is he saying?

Hello, Darren, Oprah. It is an honor to listen to you and be part of this. So, yes, I married for 20 years, two beautiful boys. We met actually in law school. And I don't think I realized that I was in a relationship that was about power and control forever. I didn't fully appreciate that until things started going not well, probably the second half of our marriage.

Hello, Darren, Oprah. It is an honor to listen to you and be part of this. So, yes, I married for 20 years, two beautiful boys. We met actually in law school. And I don't think I realized that I was in a relationship that was about power and control forever. I didn't fully appreciate that until things started going not well, probably the second half of our marriage.

Hello, Darren, Oprah. It is an honor to listen to you and be part of this. So, yes, I married for 20 years, two beautiful boys. We met actually in law school. And I don't think I realized that I was in a relationship that was about power and control forever. I didn't fully appreciate that until things started going not well, probably the second half of our marriage.

And then in therapy learned that I was very accustomed to power and control dynamics. You are no longer with your husband?

And then in therapy learned that I was very accustomed to power and control dynamics. You are no longer with your husband?

And then in therapy learned that I was very accustomed to power and control dynamics. You are no longer with your husband?

Yes. Okay. Yes. I'm scared about my ability to know what I can trust. Right. Because I've always trusted my instincts and my instincts have always served me well. But when this happens in such a long relationship, you do question... What did I know? What didn't I know? Was there an affair involved?

Yes. Okay. Yes. I'm scared about my ability to know what I can trust. Right. Because I've always trusted my instincts and my instincts have always served me well. But when this happens in such a long relationship, you do question... What did I know? What didn't I know? Was there an affair involved?

Yes. Okay. Yes. I'm scared about my ability to know what I can trust. Right. Because I've always trusted my instincts and my instincts have always served me well. But when this happens in such a long relationship, you do question... What did I know? What didn't I know? Was there an affair involved?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

That's heartening to hear. And what you say, Esther, is the dating apps have just... It's not a fit for my personality because I'm wired to be live and in person. Right, yes.

That's heartening to hear. And what you say, Esther, is the dating apps have just... It's not a fit for my personality because I'm wired to be live and in person. Right, yes.