Baroness Louise Casey

than it is to essentially give universal credit or other forms of benefits to young people where there's no expectation in return.

I think that's the thing which I think Alan Milburn will be all over.

I am all over it in every bit of welfare that I'm responsible for.

is that if you use taxpayers' money to support people through benefits, then you need something back in return.

The welfare state in 1948 was set up on this issue of reciprocity.

You can only get away with that, I assume, on Radio 4, but basically something for something.

And I never went to Oxford or Cambridge, so quid pro quo wouldn't come back out of my mouth.

But anyway... I was actually making a radio... Where did you go?

Oh, sorry.

The Civil Service use Latin every so often to just punctuate their sentences, and I've always felt inferior on those moments.

But not that inferior.

So you've got to flip it from being a handout to a hand up.

You know, it's the great John Byrd big issue expression.

You want a hand up, not a handout.

And that's essentially where I think Alan Milburn is totally on the money in every way.

The other thing I've been thinking about to do with this million needs is a third, they're not in receipt of benefit and they're not in education.

And I don't think they're students on a gap year.

And I wonder how those kids are.

or young people are.

I wonder how those 18 to 25-year-olds are.