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Chapter 1: What controversial case does Baroness Casey discuss?
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Right, I'm still in the tent at Hay. There's a whole load of newscasters here, all kind of looking a bit hot. I mean, in the temperature sense. Are you all doing you well? Yes?
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Chapter 2: How does Louise Casey reflect on her career and inquiries?
Yes! And also joining me in the hot seat today is Alex Versailles. Hello, Alex. Hello, Adam. Where have you travelled from for many questions this week?
So not so far, the West Midlands. Yeah, so always out and about this week. I've come from the West Midlands to be here at Hay today. And next week we're going to be in Lincolnshire.
OK, always on the road. Always. So we will get on with the classic episode of Newscast in a second. But I just wanted to read out a message I got from Instagram. If you want to follow me on Instagram, it's Radom Fleming, because my first name is Robert and Adam Fleming was taken. And it is from Rosalia.
Chapter 3: What are the implications of the recent court ruling on sexual violence?
And she was listening to yesterday's episode. And she said, I'm writing because, frankly, I got a bit upset at the Newscast episode you recorded at the Hay Festival. Being a proud member of the hugely misunderstood Gen Z, I did not appreciate the references to Gen Zers as kids. These kids are busy seeking jobs that are not made available by over 60s that are still lingering in the workforce.
We don't have the youngest audience in this. Personally, I'm 24 and I do not feel like a kid, especially because I'm being blamed on a daily basis by boomers in society that call us slackers and snowflakes. I am none of the above. So please, next time, defend us Gen Zers from being called kids.
And I thought that's a valid response because we're having a big debate about youth unemployment and skills and the age of AI. And then Rosalia ends her message in the best possible way. She says to me, Adam, you're one of us after all.
Just to be clear, Adam is definitely not a Gen Z-er. Absolutely not. Like, some way off it, I reckon.
Neither am I, to be clear.
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Chapter 4: What insights does Baroness Casey provide on the justice system?
I'm definitely not in the under-30 age bracket, but I'm very pleased that Rosalia thought that I was. And I did check, it's not Rosalia the singer. It's just somebody with the same name. Yeah, so, I mean, if you've got any feedback about any of the stories we're discussing on Newscast at any time of day or the year, it's newscast at bbc.co.uk or you can WhatsApp us on 0330 123 9480.
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We're going to get on with this episode of Newscast.
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Chapter 5: How does Baroness Casey view the treatment of victims in sexual crime cases?
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That is the crowd of newscasters here at Hay. It's Adam in the newscast tent at the Hay Festival.
And it's Alex in the newscast tent at the Hay Festival.
And we're going to do what you usually hear on a Sunday, which is just without Laura and Paddy, where we talk about some of the news that's been on the political programmes today and talk about some of the issues that are going to come up in the next week. And it won't just be me and Alex and the newscasters doing it because we're joined by a special guest.
She's been on newscast a couple of times before. We've certainly talked about her work quite a lot because she's been involved in some big, important stuff for our country. Please welcome to the stage, Baroness Casey, Louise Casey. Right, so we've sorted out Louise's microphone. She's got a huge bottle of water, which I'm quite jealous of.
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Chapter 6: What challenges does the social care system currently face?
And let's get into today's news. And I should just say that one of the stories that we're going to be discussing, in fact, the first story that we're going to discuss involves a very serious crime and the concept of sexual violence. So just to warn you that that is the first issue we're going to be discussing.
We won't get into any details of it, but we will be talking about some of the implications of a quite difficult to hear story. Court case, which is a massive news story today. So, Alex, first of all, just before we came on the stage, we were rewatching Sunday with Laura Koonsberg. And there was two very powerful interviews on there.
The first one was with a young girl, a teenager and her parents who had been raped. But the teenage boys who this week were found guilty of raping her. had not been sentenced to a prison sentence. And then straight after that, Darren Jones, the chief secretary to the prime minister, was responding for the government. And he's a dad.
And you could see he was very, very moved by what he'd been hearing. So just sort of bring us up to date with that story.
Yeah, I mean, this story was about, as you say, a conviction where three teenage boys had been convicted of rape against two girls, but they'd been given youth rehabilitation orders instead of a custodial sentence.
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Chapter 7: What recommendations does Baroness Casey have for social care reform?
Now, since this sentencing happened towards the end of last week, There's just been some increasing traction around this, with a lot of people saying they don't think that that sentence was sufficient. So at the moment, the Attorney General is going to review that and see whether or not it needs to be referred to the Court of Appeal to be looked at again.
Laura, Laura Kunzberg, had spoken to one of the girls at the heart of this, as you say, with her parents. And it was just one of those interviews that I watched and listened to.
And I don't think anybody really could have listened to it without being quite personally moved because she gave a very brave and honest account of what she'd been through and the impact that had consequently had on her life.
And her parents also spoke very movingly about how they felt, not just about what had happened, but also about the decision by the judge not to impose a custodial sentence on the teenage boys involved. Immediately after that, Darren Jones is sat in the studio and it is rare, I think it's fair to say, that you see a very senior member of the government kind of just react in quite a human way.
He was very clearly choked up, very clearly emotional. He said that himself. He said he couldn't comment on the sentence as a minister, but I think he made it pretty clear that from his own personal perspective as a dad, that he felt pretty strongly about this as well.
I was just remembering watching Darren Jones there, like a happier interview he'd done when he got the job. And he was saying, oh, one of the first things he did when he went to go and help Starmer No. 10 was to move the No. 10 morning meeting from 8.30 to 8.45 so he had time to take his children to school.
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Chapter 8: How does Baroness Casey propose to engage with policymakers for change?
And so I was thinking of like, oh, yeah, this is the two sides of Darren Jones, the minister who's also a dad.
Yeah, and a minister that quite often when he comes across, I think quite deliberately tries to be very efficient and very on the case. And he likes to talk a lot about the detail of things and show that he's across policy. And today you saw the human side of him.
And I think whatever you think about politicians, whatever your politics are, and people are always going to fundamentally disagree with some of what politicians say or do, they're people too. And it was a genuine moment where you got some sort of insight into that this morning.
Louise, you've done a lot of work with victims and survivors of sexual crimes, also about how the system, whether it's the courts or the police or other authorities, deal with it. What's your take on just how this case has played out this week?
So, well, the first thing to say is, sadly, I'm not completely surprised. I think that still, throughout the criminal justice system, which is essentially, you know, when people have to... You have to go to court, you have to make statements, you have to go to court. If it's rape or a sexual offence, sorry, this is, shall I just carry on?
It's quite, so, you know, you have to have a rape kit done, which is pretty rough, to say the least. Very intrusive, yeah. It's really challenging for both the person that is doing it but primarily for the victim.
On the whole, Adam, throughout history we haven't believed women and we certainly don't believe girls because we think that they are in love with older men and in love and therefore anything they say somehow doesn't have the same weight as if somebody has punched somebody in the face and I can see a bruise. So there's a long history in the run-up to cases like that.
And when I did an audit last year, which was a decade on from when I was in Rotherham, where I did an inspection of the council into child sexual exploitation, I, at that point, thought we are getting something very, very wrong here. And a decade later, I did an audit, a different word for review, just because there were lots of reviews, and so we had to find another word for it.
That's a light joke in the middle of a very serious conversation.
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