Barry

They're not going to be tangents.

They're going to be very relevant.

Because what you're talking about is only one option for retirement.

That when you decide to retire, and that actually makes a difference in terms of people who were forced into retirement when they didn't want to.

And those things have impacts on health.

I mean, one of the, so, but to answer your question.

Yeah, so how did you, what was the key for you?

Yeah, well, you know, when you start to, well, it's a couple of things, but, you know, you do get to a certain age and you start to, you know, you start to think about things differently and you start making, for me, it was making a shift.

Are there other things that,

that I'd want to do.

I will say that for physicians, retirement tends to be much more difficult to retire because so much of their identity is tied up in being a physician, caring for patients, things like that.

And so I've known a number of colleagues because they

You're so busy doing your doc thing that oftentimes you have never had time to develop other interests.

And so and that's actually one of the things that provide a safety net that like for me, I mean, because I was a very devoted hospice physician and, you know, family doc and things like that.

Fortunately for me, I developed other interests.

And then for me, it was having someone that you could sort of pass the torch to or pass the baton to the younger generation.

And, uh, but then to be honest, also, uh, one of the hospice programs that I was a medical director for, um, I'm not going to mention specific names here, but the organization that the hospice was in, uh, decided that hospice didn't quite fit their mission.

And so they effectively sold their hospice off to somebody else.

So there was a part of my job where.

I was forced into retirement because there was there was no reason to have Barry as a medical as a hospice medical director.