Barry Weiss

Well, one thing that we haven't touched on that I'm obviously, like, you guys both saw this. I'm not sure if listeners who are not perpetually online like us did. The racism on the right that came out around this issue was really, really disgusting. I mean, I don't even want to quote the kinds of things they said, but it basically amounted to why do we want these smelly Indians in our country to—

get out. This is, you know, America's for white people. How alarmed should we be about those voices? Do they represent a real constituency? Do they represent the base? Like, how should we understand that, Brianna or Bhatia, either of you?

get out. This is, you know, America's for white people. How alarmed should we be about those voices? Do they represent a real constituency? Do they represent the base? Like, how should we understand that, Brianna or Bhatia, either of you?

get out. This is, you know, America's for white people. How alarmed should we be about those voices? Do they represent a real constituency? Do they represent the base? Like, how should we understand that, Brianna or Bhatia, either of you?

You have insight, I think. And tell me, is nationalist populist the right way to explain kind of the Bannon wing of the party? How would you describe it?

You have insight, I think. And tell me, is nationalist populist the right way to explain kind of the Bannon wing of the party? How would you describe it?

You have insight, I think. And tell me, is nationalist populist the right way to explain kind of the Bannon wing of the party? How would you describe it?

So like... You swim in those waters. You speak to those people. A, how enraged are they about the way Trump broke on this issue? And B, do you think that this is a fight that we're going to kind of continue to see play itself out over and over again between sort of like – call it MAGA 1.0, the nationalist populace that –

So like... You swim in those waters. You speak to those people. A, how enraged are they about the way Trump broke on this issue? And B, do you think that this is a fight that we're going to kind of continue to see play itself out over and over again between sort of like – call it MAGA 1.0, the nationalist populace that –

So like... You swim in those waters. You speak to those people. A, how enraged are they about the way Trump broke on this issue? And B, do you think that this is a fight that we're going to kind of continue to see play itself out over and over again between sort of like – call it MAGA 1.0, the nationalist populace that –

drove him to power in 2016 and perhaps representing Trump's base, unclear to me, and then sort of MAGA 2.0 with Ramaswamy and a lot of these other Silicon Valley types. Like, let's talk a little bit about that dynamic because I think it's extremely interesting and a big one for people to watch.

drove him to power in 2016 and perhaps representing Trump's base, unclear to me, and then sort of MAGA 2.0 with Ramaswamy and a lot of these other Silicon Valley types. Like, let's talk a little bit about that dynamic because I think it's extremely interesting and a big one for people to watch.

drove him to power in 2016 and perhaps representing Trump's base, unclear to me, and then sort of MAGA 2.0 with Ramaswamy and a lot of these other Silicon Valley types. Like, let's talk a little bit about that dynamic because I think it's extremely interesting and a big one for people to watch.

More with Batya Ungar Sargon and Brianna Wu after the break. Stay with us. OK, one thing, you know, we were speaking earlier about the vibe shift and, you know, Maria Shriver sort of turning against California Democrats, at least subtly to me, is a big sign of it.

More with Batya Ungar Sargon and Brianna Wu after the break. Stay with us. OK, one thing, you know, we were speaking earlier about the vibe shift and, you know, Maria Shriver sort of turning against California Democrats, at least subtly to me, is a big sign of it.

More with Batya Ungar Sargon and Brianna Wu after the break. Stay with us. OK, one thing, you know, we were speaking earlier about the vibe shift and, you know, Maria Shriver sort of turning against California Democrats, at least subtly to me, is a big sign of it.

Another huge sign of it from another part of California, more northern part of California, is Mark Zuckerberg and the direction that he is taking meta. Yeah.

Another huge sign of it from another part of California, more northern part of California, is Mark Zuckerberg and the direction that he is taking meta. Yeah.

Another huge sign of it from another part of California, more northern part of California, is Mark Zuckerberg and the direction that he is taking meta. Yeah.

watching the five-minute... I don't think you can find sort of a better emblem of the vibe shift than this five-minute video that he put out announcing that they were getting rid of their fact-checking apparatus, which had been accused of being deeply politically biased, that they were moving parts of the company to Texas, that they're unwinding DEI.