Barry Weiss

But hold on, hold on, hold on. I think that there's a really interesting and hopefully we'll assign it very deep story to be written on Elon and China and his interest there. No question. But I completely fail to see how this isn't just a really, really simple debate and a sincere one between –

But hold on, hold on, hold on. I think that there's a really interesting and hopefully we'll assign it very deep story to be written on Elon and China and his interest there. No question. But I completely fail to see how this isn't just a really, really simple debate and a sincere one between –

But hold on, hold on, hold on. I think that there's a really interesting and hopefully we'll assign it very deep story to be written on Elon and China and his interest there. No question. But I completely fail to see how this isn't just a really, really simple debate and a sincere one between –

Those who believe, as you do and as Steve Bannon does in a kind of economic populist worldview, and those who believe, like Elon and Vivek and perhaps Brianna and probably me, that you can make a very potent America first argument by saying, look, in order for us to stay ahead of all of these other countries that we are kind of at, you know, in a new Cold War with on AI, on quantum computing, on chips, on biotech,

Those who believe, as you do and as Steve Bannon does in a kind of economic populist worldview, and those who believe, like Elon and Vivek and perhaps Brianna and probably me, that you can make a very potent America first argument by saying, look, in order for us to stay ahead of all of these other countries that we are kind of at, you know, in a new Cold War with on AI, on quantum computing, on chips, on biotech,

Those who believe, as you do and as Steve Bannon does in a kind of economic populist worldview, and those who believe, like Elon and Vivek and perhaps Brianna and probably me, that you can make a very potent America first argument by saying, look, in order for us to stay ahead of all of these other countries that we are kind of at, you know, in a new Cold War with on AI, on quantum computing, on chips, on biotech,

We have to be fast, we have to be cheap, and we have to be ahead. And that we need to win, we need to beat China. And the way to do that is to get the best and the brightest around the world. It's not to say we shouldn't train people in Appalachia or anything else, but the way to do that is to get them. Like, how is it not as—that's how I see it.

We have to be fast, we have to be cheap, and we have to be ahead. And that we need to win, we need to beat China. And the way to do that is to get the best and the brightest around the world. It's not to say we shouldn't train people in Appalachia or anything else, but the way to do that is to get them. Like, how is it not as—that's how I see it.

We have to be fast, we have to be cheap, and we have to be ahead. And that we need to win, we need to beat China. And the way to do that is to get the best and the brightest around the world. It's not to say we shouldn't train people in Appalachia or anything else, but the way to do that is to get them. Like, how is it not as—that's how I see it.

I see it as an argument between those that have generally a free market worldview and those that don't. Right.

I see it as an argument between those that have generally a free market worldview and those that don't. Right.

I see it as an argument between those that have generally a free market worldview and those that don't. Right.

I don't know if I would think it's dastardly. I want to ask you guys a question about the politics of this because, Batya— You're a fan of Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon's going around talking about, I guess he has like five days left to do it, how he's going to do anything to keep Elon Musk out of the new administration and how it's a personal goal of his to, quote, take this guy down.

I don't know if I would think it's dastardly. I want to ask you guys a question about the politics of this because, Batya— You're a fan of Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon's going around talking about, I guess he has like five days left to do it, how he's going to do anything to keep Elon Musk out of the new administration and how it's a personal goal of his to, quote, take this guy down.

I don't know if I would think it's dastardly. I want to ask you guys a question about the politics of this because, Batya— You're a fan of Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon's going around talking about, I guess he has like five days left to do it, how he's going to do anything to keep Elon Musk out of the new administration and how it's a personal goal of his to, quote, take this guy down.

I don't see that happening. Like, I don't think that Trump, who has come out strongly in favor of H-1B visas and very much on the side of Musk and Ramaswamy in this debate, is going to change course. Do you? And where is it making you sit vis-a-vis Trump in this direction of the new White House?

I don't see that happening. Like, I don't think that Trump, who has come out strongly in favor of H-1B visas and very much on the side of Musk and Ramaswamy in this debate, is going to change course. Do you? And where is it making you sit vis-a-vis Trump in this direction of the new White House?

I don't see that happening. Like, I don't think that Trump, who has come out strongly in favor of H-1B visas and very much on the side of Musk and Ramaswamy in this debate, is going to change course. Do you? And where is it making you sit vis-a-vis Trump in this direction of the new White House?

Well, one thing that we haven't touched on that I'm obviously, like, you guys both saw this. I'm not sure if listeners who are not perpetually online like us did. The racism on the right that came out around this issue was really, really disgusting. I mean, I don't even want to quote the kinds of things they said, but it basically amounted to why do we want these smelly Indians in our country to—

Well, one thing that we haven't touched on that I'm obviously, like, you guys both saw this. I'm not sure if listeners who are not perpetually online like us did. The racism on the right that came out around this issue was really, really disgusting. I mean, I don't even want to quote the kinds of things they said, but it basically amounted to why do we want these smelly Indians in our country to—