Barry

Even though it's a positive, it's still a stress.

So there's a list of these top 10 things that, um,

It's helpful to know.

That's why oftentimes they say, well, if you lose a spouse, don't move like right away because that's another major stress.

So it's just one of these things that retirement is on a list, even though it might be great to retire, it still does create stress in our lives.

Go ahead.

That's the capsule summary that there are two sides to this.

And the one thing that was interesting to me is I know we were going to talk, our show is retirement and health, but does health drive retirement or does retirement drive health?

It really is a two-way street.

Now,

Yeah.

Clarence, did you write the paper for the University of California at Berkeley, their aging center?

One of the articles I scared was exactly what you were saying.

It's about retirement and relationships.

um and it just like a hundred percent this idea that now all of a sudden you're spending so much more time together correct you know we've been all busy doing our our own thing and you and you do you have to learn how to uh communicate again uh because it's in a different context um and it does involve things because you know when we work we sort of uh

evolve our habits and doing things in a certain way, which is a workplace, not the home place.

And those things that they talk about with retirement is, again, if you're a couple, that you need to talk about these things, the tasks around the house instead of getting in each other's way to kind of be a team and work together.

Now, for couples that have had

that, you know, brought up children, oftentimes that was done earlier in that relationship where, you know, there's not enough time to go right, you know, to focus, to figure out who's going to, you know, who's going to do what.

But in retirement, it becomes very