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Ben Buchanan

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
266 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think it's fair to say that there is a cultural difference with the Trump administration and us on some of these things. But I also, you know, we held conferences on what you could do with AI and the benefits of AI. We talked all the time about how you need to mitigate these risks, but you're doing so so you can capture the benefits.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think it's fair to say that there is a cultural difference with the Trump administration and us on some of these things. But I also, you know, we held conferences on what you could do with AI and the benefits of AI. We talked all the time about how you need to mitigate these risks, but you're doing so so you can capture the benefits.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And I'm someone who reads an essay like Dario Amadei's Sea of Anthropics, Machines of Love and Grace, about basically the upside of AI. And so there's a lot in here we can agree with. President's executive order said we should be using AI more in the executive branch. So I hear you on the cultural difference. I get that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And I'm someone who reads an essay like Dario Amadei's Sea of Anthropics, Machines of Love and Grace, about basically the upside of AI. And so there's a lot in here we can agree with. President's executive order said we should be using AI more in the executive branch. So I hear you on the cultural difference. I get that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

But I think when the rubber meets the road, we were comfortable with the notion that you could both realize the opportunity of AI while doing it safely. And now that they are in power, they will have to decide how do they translate Vice President Vance's rhetoric into a governing policy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

But I think when the rubber meets the road, we were comfortable with the notion that you could both realize the opportunity of AI while doing it safely. And now that they are in power, they will have to decide how do they translate Vice President Vance's rhetoric into a governing policy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And my understanding of their executive order is they've given themselves six months to figure out what they're going to do. And I think we should judge them on what they do.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And my understanding of their executive order is they've given themselves six months to figure out what they're going to do. And I think we should judge them on what they do.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Yeah, I think I basically agree with all of that. I think the conversation when we were in the government, especially in 23 and 24, was starting to happen. We looked at the clinical trials thing. You've read about healthcare for however long. I don't claim expertise on healthcare, but it does seem to me that...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Yeah, I think I basically agree with all of that. I think the conversation when we were in the government, especially in 23 and 24, was starting to happen. We looked at the clinical trials thing. You've read about healthcare for however long. I don't claim expertise on healthcare, but it does seem to me that...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

We want to get to a world where we can take the breakthroughs, including breakthroughs from AI systems, and translate them to market much faster. This is not a hypothetical thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

We want to get to a world where we can take the breakthroughs, including breakthroughs from AI systems, and translate them to market much faster. This is not a hypothetical thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

It's worth noting, I think, quite recently, Google came out with, I think they called it co-scientist, NVIDIA and the ARC Institute, which does great work, had the most impressive biodesign model ever that has a much more detailed understanding of biological molecules. A group called Future House has done similarly great work in science. So I don't think this is a hypothetical.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

It's worth noting, I think, quite recently, Google came out with, I think they called it co-scientist, NVIDIA and the ARC Institute, which does great work, had the most impressive biodesign model ever that has a much more detailed understanding of biological molecules. A group called Future House has done similarly great work in science. So I don't think this is a hypothetical.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think this is happening right now. And I agree with you that there's a lot that can be done institutionally and organizationally to get the federal government ready for this.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think this is happening right now. And I agree with you that there's a lot that can be done institutionally and organizationally to get the federal government ready for this.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

It feels kind of orthogonal from what I've observed from Doge. I mean, I think Elon is someone who does understand what AI can do, but I don't know how starting with USAID, for example, prepares the U.S. government to make better AI policy. So I guess I don't buy it, that that is the motivation for Doge.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

It feels kind of orthogonal from what I've observed from Doge. I mean, I think Elon is someone who does understand what AI can do, but I don't know how starting with USAID, for example, prepares the U.S. government to make better AI policy. So I guess I don't buy it, that that is the motivation for Doge.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I couldn't agree more. I mean, the existence of my job in the White House, the White House Special Advisor for AI, which David Sachs now is, and I had this job in 2023, existed because President Biden said very clearly, publicly and privately, we cannot move at the typical government pace. We have to move faster here. I think we probably need to be careful.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I couldn't agree more. I mean, the existence of my job in the White House, the White House Special Advisor for AI, which David Sachs now is, and I had this job in 2023, existed because President Biden said very clearly, publicly and privately, we cannot move at the typical government pace. We have to move faster here. I think we probably need to be careful.