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Ben Buchanan

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
266 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And I'm not here for stripping it all down, but I agree with you. We have to move much faster.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And I'm not here for stripping it all down, but I agree with you. We have to move much faster.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Yeah, I think the honest answer here is we had conversations with Europe as they were drafting the EU AI Act. But at the time that I was in, the EU AI Act was still kind of nascent and the act had passed. But a lot of the actual details of it had been kicked to a process that my sense is still unfolding. So speaking of slow moving. Yeah, I mean, bureaucracies. Exactly. Exactly.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Yeah, I think the honest answer here is we had conversations with Europe as they were drafting the EU AI Act. But at the time that I was in, the EU AI Act was still kind of nascent and the act had passed. But a lot of the actual details of it had been kicked to a process that my sense is still unfolding. So speaking of slow moving. Yeah, I mean, bureaucracies. Exactly. Exactly.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

So I guess I didn't have from maybe this is a failing on my part. I did not have particularly detailed conversations with the Europeans beyond a general kind of articulation of our views. They were respectful. We were respectful. But I think it's fair to say we were taking a different approach than they were taking.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

So I guess I didn't have from maybe this is a failing on my part. I did not have particularly detailed conversations with the Europeans beyond a general kind of articulation of our views. They were respectful. We were respectful. But I think it's fair to say we were taking a different approach than they were taking.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And we were probably, insofar as safety and opportunity are a dichotomy, which I don't think they are a pure dichotomy, we were ready to move very fast in the development of AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And we were probably, insofar as safety and opportunity are a dichotomy, which I don't think they are a pure dichotomy, we were ready to move very fast in the development of AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

It's a vital question. I think we instantiate that in a couple of different principles. The first is that AI in the workplace needs to be implemented in a way that is respectful of workers and the like. And I think one of the things I know the president thought a lot about was

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

It's a vital question. I think we instantiate that in a couple of different principles. The first is that AI in the workplace needs to be implemented in a way that is respectful of workers and the like. And I think one of the things I know the president thought a lot about was

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

it is possible for AI to make workplaces worse and in a way that is dehumanizing and degrading and ultimately destructive for workers. So that is sort of a first distinct piece of it that I don't want to neglect. The second is I think we want to have AI deployed across our economy in a way that increases workers' agencies and capabilities.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

it is possible for AI to make workplaces worse and in a way that is dehumanizing and degrading and ultimately destructive for workers. So that is sort of a first distinct piece of it that I don't want to neglect. The second is I think we want to have AI deployed across our economy in a way that increases workers' agencies and capabilities.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And I think we should be honest that there's going to be a lot of transition in the economy as a result of AI. I don't know what that will look like. You can find Nobel Prize winning economists who will say it won't be much. You can find other folks who will say it'll be a ton. I tend to lean towards the it's going to be a lot side, but I'm not a labor economist.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And I think we should be honest that there's going to be a lot of transition in the economy as a result of AI. I don't know what that will look like. You can find Nobel Prize winning economists who will say it won't be much. You can find other folks who will say it'll be a ton. I tend to lean towards the it's going to be a lot side, but I'm not a labor economist.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And the line that Vice President Vance used is the exact same phrase that President Biden used, which is give workers a seat at the table in that transition. And I think that is a fundamental part of what we're trying to do here. And I presume what they're trying to do here.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And the line that Vice President Vance used is the exact same phrase that President Biden used, which is give workers a seat at the table in that transition. And I think that is a fundamental part of what we're trying to do here. And I presume what they're trying to do here.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think that is basically true, but I want to push back a little bit. So I do think we are going to see a dynamic in which it will hit parts of the economy first, it will hit certain firms first, but it will be an uneven distribution across society.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think that is basically true, but I want to push back a little bit. So I do think we are going to see a dynamic in which it will hit parts of the economy first, it will hit certain firms first, but it will be an uneven distribution across society.