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Ben Buchanan

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
266 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think what we're saying is like we were building a foundation for something that is coming that was not going to arrive during our time in office and that the next team is going to have to, as a matter of American national security, and in this case, American security, economic strength and prosperity address.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think what we're saying is like we were building a foundation for something that is coming that was not going to arrive during our time in office and that the next team is going to have to, as a matter of American national security, and in this case, American security, economic strength and prosperity address.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think there should be an intellectual humility about before you take a policy action, you have to have some understanding of what it is you're doing and why. So I think it is entirely intellectually consistent to look at a transformative technology, draw the lines on the graph and say, this is coming pretty soon without having the 14 point plan of this is what we need to do in 2027, 2028.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think there should be an intellectual humility about before you take a policy action, you have to have some understanding of what it is you're doing and why. So I think it is entirely intellectually consistent to look at a transformative technology, draw the lines on the graph and say, this is coming pretty soon without having the 14 point plan of this is what we need to do in 2027, 2028.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think chip controls are unique in that this is a robustly good thing that we could do early to buy the space I talked about before. But I also think that we tried to build institutions like the AI Safety Institute that would set the new team up, whether it was us or someone else, for success in managing the technology.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

I think chip controls are unique in that this is a robustly good thing that we could do early to buy the space I talked about before. But I also think that we tried to build institutions like the AI Safety Institute that would set the new team up, whether it was us or someone else, for success in managing the technology.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Now that it's them, they will have to decide, as the technology comes on board, how do we want to calibrate this under regulation? What are the kinds of decisions you think they will have to make in the next two years? You mentioned the open source one. I have a guess where they're going to land on that, but I think there's an intellectual debate there that is rich.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Now that it's them, they will have to decide, as the technology comes on board, how do we want to calibrate this under regulation? What are the kinds of decisions you think they will have to make in the next two years? You mentioned the open source one. I have a guess where they're going to land on that, but I think there's an intellectual debate there that is rich.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

We resolved it one way by not doing anything. They'll have to decide if they want to keep doing that. Ultimately, they'll have to answer a question of what is the relationship between the public sector and the private sector. Is it the case, for example, that the kind of things that are voluntary now with the AI Safety Institute will someday become mandatory?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

We resolved it one way by not doing anything. They'll have to decide if they want to keep doing that. Ultimately, they'll have to answer a question of what is the relationship between the public sector and the private sector. Is it the case, for example, that the kind of things that are voluntary now with the AI Safety Institute will someday become mandatory?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Another key decision is we tried to get the ball rolling on the use of AI for national defense in a way that is consistent with American values. They will have to decide what does that continue to look like? And do they want to take some of the safeguards that we put in place away to go faster?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

Another key decision is we tried to get the ball rolling on the use of AI for national defense in a way that is consistent with American values. They will have to decide what does that continue to look like? And do they want to take some of the safeguards that we put in place away to go faster?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

So I think there really is a bunch of decisions that they are teed up to make over the next couple of years that we can appreciate they're coming on the horizon without me sitting here and saying, I know with certainty what the answer is going to be in 2027. And then always our final question, what are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

So I think there really is a bunch of decisions that they are teed up to make over the next couple of years that we can appreciate they're coming on the horizon without me sitting here and saying, I know with certainty what the answer is going to be in 2027. And then always our final question, what are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

One of the books is The Structure of Scientific Revolution by Thomas Kuhn. And this is a book that coined the term paradigm shift, which basically is what we've been talking about throughout this whole conversation of a shift in technology and scientific understanding and its implications for society.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

One of the books is The Structure of Scientific Revolution by Thomas Kuhn. And this is a book that coined the term paradigm shift, which basically is what we've been talking about throughout this whole conversation of a shift in technology and scientific understanding and its implications for society.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And I like how Kuhn in this book, which was written in the 1960s, gives a series of historical examples and theoretical frameworks for how do you think about a paradigm shift. And then another book that has been very valuable for me is Rise of the Machines by Thomas Ridd.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And I like how Kuhn in this book, which was written in the 1960s, gives a series of historical examples and theoretical frameworks for how do you think about a paradigm shift. And then another book that has been very valuable for me is Rise of the Machines by Thomas Ridd.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And that really tells the story of how machines that were once the playthings of dorks like me became in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s, things of national security importance. We talked about some of the revolutionary technologies here, the internet, microprocessors and the like, that emerged out of this intersection between national security and tech development.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Government Knows AGI is Coming

And that really tells the story of how machines that were once the playthings of dorks like me became in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s, things of national security importance. We talked about some of the revolutionary technologies here, the internet, microprocessors and the like, that emerged out of this intersection between national security and tech development.