Ben Cesario

And he actually follows up and says, after that point, we tracked what we were getting and we lost Live Nation concerts.

And one of the ones that stood out to him was Billie Eilish.

So Billie Eilish was one of the artists who was on tour right when COVID happened.

On that tour, Billie was supposed to have played Madison Square Garden and Barclays.

But the tour was canceled because of COVID.

When she comes back on tour two years later, she goes back to Madison Square Garden.

But instead of going to Barclays, she goes to the new UBS Arena on Long Island.

Wow.

And the guy who was running Barclays said, to me, that was a smoking gun.

That's the word he used.

Usually, if an artist has to cancel a show, they make their best efforts to come back for their fans.

And he said, we asked Live Nation why didn't she come back to our venue?

And the answer was, it was the artist's decision to go to the other place.

Well, he testified that they reached out to Billie Eilish's manager who told them, no, it was Live Nation's decision to do this.

And that this was making good on that threat, that it was retaliation.

And that was one of the big arguments that the government was making, that this company does make threats and they even follow through with them and retaliate if they don't get what they want.

And that is classic anti-competitive behavior.

Well, there was one that I wrote about in a separate story about Irvine, California.

Irvine had a really popular amphitheater that closed, and the city wanted to build a new one.

And so they got into business with Live Nation, and they were working out a deal, and the city said...