Ben Cohen

It's the idea that you have a two-part mission and you need to do both of them from the beginning.

Well, I think it's both.

I think the reality is that government is the biggest lever that we've got.

And so I think that advocacy, that businesses advocating for the government to adopt policies that have those social benefits is a very important role for business to play.

I mean, you know, the reality is that businesses

business is incredibly political.

It's business that pays for donations, campaign donations to politicians.

It's business that pays for lobbyists that control our laws.

It's business that controls the media.

And we of the people that are looking to do ethical business

need to use our voices to impact how the government addresses these things.

Well, I think that, you know, government regulations create a level playing field.

So, you know, if our company needs to pay a sugar tax and every other ice cream company or dessert company needs to pay a sugar tax...

I don't think it hurts our business.

Well, so there's the issue of empty calories.

Empty calories, yeah.

So, I mean, as far as desserts go, I think ice cream is one of your more nutritious desserts.

I hope that the dear listener is not suggesting that we no longer have ice cream, that we ban ice cream.

You know, no, you're not supposed to replace...

three meals a day with ice cream.