Ben Domenech

The others might be able to sing about them and sing that music and create the vision of it.

But the reality of it, that Ea can only be done through Iluvatar.

And then you have Aule, like Sean said, making in sort of this, not mockery, but the way a kid would do what his dad does.

Kind of coming back to that first question, right?

We want our kids to like what we like.

Well, that's kind of natural.

And that's what Tolkien's talking about with sub-creation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's great.

I love that.

Thank you, Tom.

Yeah, that's really some cool insight.

All right.

I know I went out of order, but Sean, how do we want to talk about fantasy briefly?

While we were talking about subcreation, I pulled up my copy of On Fairy Stories because I did want to make sure to go back to Tolkien's words a little bit on this.

Now, on the surface, fantasy can just be a word for the type of stories that all of us like to read, right?

And I say that as, you know, we are fans of books like Lord of the Rings.

We are fans of fantasy books.

And so on the surface, it is that.