Ben Domenech

And the approach that he used that was just the most crazy thing in the world.

The fact that there's still people around who defend it, I mean, it just boggles my mind, especially the Pod Save Bros, Pod Save Iran.

The thing that I think is...

A risk here is that if that commentariat prevails, the opportunity here is to turn to China as something like an interlocutor with the regime to basically say, hey, you know, we don't want to see these missiles flying around the Gulf states.

They don't want to see these things flying around the Emirates.

They don't want to have to deal with this type of stuff in the future.

You know, we have a vested interest because of our relationship with Iran.

Let us do some kind of a deal or an arrangement that allows that type of scenario that Mr. Shapiro then I can say then is is making as making note of which would allow that regime to basically

hold on to power and would also, frankly, strengthen China's role in the area.

That's the biggest thing that I'm concerned about.

If those interlocutors get their way and they will not like the long term ramifications of that.

Yeah, I think, and thank you for saying that, I think that this is a situation where one of the lessons I think people haven't learned, particularly politicians, is that this long drawn out case for war that we have seen made in the past is just not something that the American people actually want or necessarily need anymore.

I actually think that they assess things entirely based on success.

The Maduro raid is a perfect example of this in the sense that

there was tons of skepticism about what we were doing in Venezuela in various poll questions leading up to that decision.

And then after it happened, everybody basically said, oh yeah, I was always in favor of that.

And the reverse happens when you look back at the Iraq war, where there's tons of people who pretend that they were opposed to it.

So I think that part of the thing that's going on here though, is that we are dealing with a president as Andrew said, that has different priorities.

And I think that the number one thing that he assesses this on, I believe, is the loss of American life.

The loss of American life is not something that he wants to see.