Ben Domenech

Correct.

I mean, to be fair, there's a lot that's possible now with the cinematic arts today that were not possible in the 1930s when Tolkien was thinking about stagecraft and black and white silent films.

But it's still somebody else's vision.

It's still somebody else's idea of what this world looks like and what this world sounds like.

And I think no matter how good the special effects get, no matter how believable Middle Earth is on screen, on the biggest screen possible, it's different.

It's not a world that you enter.

There is still this screen keeping you from it.

That's absolutely right.

It's good stuff.

I mean, like we said, you and I have talked about how much we love Jackson's adaptations to The Lord of the Rings.

They're fantastic.

But the minute something takes you out, it takes you all the way out.

And that can be a real problem.

Well, I guess let's get into escape, recovery, and consolation, Sean.

This is a really great question.

I think it is a great question.

Thank you, Demay.

I think escape is, even though we usually order them as recovery escape and consolation, I think it's good to tackle escape first.

Because escape is simply just the desire to get away from the real world sometimes.

And, you know, of course, we've talked about this since literally episode one of this show, Alan.