Ben Gilbert

They just end up closing their doors.

Wait, he's the star player and the head coach?

I'd love that.

The Redskins, commensurate with keeping that name for as long as they did, they were very, very, very late to integrate the team.

I think they had some really big fan base in the South, and there weren't a lot of NFL teams at that point in the South.

And so it was both because he was racist and also because he realized he would probably lose a lot of his fan base

who were also racist, by integrating his team, which is, like, a horrible thing that it was a strategic advantage for him to get that fan base by having an exclusively white team.

You sort of have this opportunity to be a new thing in America that people do with their time and dollars.

And keep in mind, every owner's experience to this point is subsidizing losses.

If you're bringing on other people to try and be co-owners of a team with you or...

You're deciding that your family is going to sort of carry the weight the whole time or that your company is going to carry the weight of the team.

You're just subsidizing losses.

So every single person involved in pro football ownership at this point is not even lip service for the love of the game, like purely just for the love of the game.

But now, interestingly, there's a business opportunity.

Right.

And those eight teams, the Cardinals, of course, they're in Arizona today.

You got the Chicago Bears.

You got the Green Bay Packers, the New York Giants, the Detroit Lions.

The Boston Redskins had since moved to Washington.

You've got the Philadelphia Eagles, the Pittsburgh Steelers.