Ben Gilbert

who were also racist, by integrating his team, which is, like, a horrible thing that it was a strategic advantage for him to get that fan base by having an exclusively white team.

You sort of have this opportunity to be a new thing in America that people do with their time and dollars.

And keep in mind, every owner's experience to this point is subsidizing losses.

If you're bringing on other people to try and be co-owners of a team with you or...

You're deciding that your family is going to sort of carry the weight the whole time or that your company is going to carry the weight of the team.

You're just subsidizing losses.

So every single person involved in pro football ownership at this point is not even lip service for the love of the game, like purely just for the love of the game.

But now, interestingly, there's a business opportunity.

Right.

And those eight teams, the Cardinals, of course, they're in Arizona today.

You got the Chicago Bears.

You got the Green Bay Packers, the New York Giants, the Detroit Lions.

The Boston Redskins had since moved to Washington.

You've got the Philadelphia Eagles, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

And at this point, and this is crucial, the Cleveland Rams.

Yes.

And this is the first Cleveland team that did not shut down, but instead moved.

Yes, the man who transformed football, Paul Brown.

And this is the very first time in sort of the modern NFL era where you have this real threat of two professional football teams that people really want to see in the very same city, the Cleveland Rams and the soon-to-be Cleveland Browns in the AAFC.

And they didn't want him.