Ben Greenfield
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
or using an app or website like a chronometer or macro factors to actually keep track. And some of my clients who I work with, they won't follow the diet adequately that I have written down for them based on their labs and their blood work and their activity levels and everything, unless they know I'm going to be looking at their diet at the end of the week.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And if they write it down, then they adhere to that diet and they're less likely to do that second compensatory mechanism from exercise, which is just like, eat a bunch of food just because you're rewarding yourself for having exercised and not necessarily considering the calorie intake versus the actual calorie burn.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Using GPT to count your calories or to tell you what it is that you're eating is not a diet or calorie counting app per se. It's just you literally going into GPT. So if you want to get super fancy, you could use something like Fitness Pal or something like that.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Some of them have image recognition technology built into them now to where you can photograph your food because it is a pain to write it all down sometimes.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Okay, so this one, when you look at the ingredient label, it's brewed coffee. Water and coffee. So the only thing I think about there when I'm looking at cans and ingredients is do they filter the water or do they look at the aluminum lining of the can? Have they assessed it for microplastics, et cetera?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
GPT-4.0 is the new version that has image recognition capabilities. And same thing with the Google Notebook. You were doing an Instagram story before we started recording. I told people, hey, use the new Google Notebook LM to take your notes. So a couple of cool things. I was out hunting about three weeks ago.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And before I went out, I found one of my water filters that I was going to take out there with me. And there were pieces missing. I'd tell there were pieces missing because there was like a tube that was supposed to come out of it and then a clamp on the end of that. So I took a picture of it and I uploaded it to GPT-40. I said, tell me what is missing from this water filter. Tell me the brand.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Tell me where I can go download the manual and tell me where I can get the missing pieces. And I know people who are even doing things like working on their car engine and taking photographs using their phone and then uploading that to 4.0 and it's telling them what needs fixing or where they can get certain parts, which is pretty cool.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So you could literally take a picture of breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and you could say like, hey, I want to protein carb fat ratio of 30%, 40%, 30%. And I want to know if this meal is hitting that. And I want to know what my total calorie count the rest of this day is going to be based on this photo I just sent you of the breakfast that I just ate. And it will tell you all of that stuff.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The other one, the notebook, what that will do is you can feed any PDF, any text, any, you know, I've even fed things like legal contracts into it. And here's an example. Let's say you have a big sticky legal contract or scientific document and you just don't have the time to take the deep dive into it and roll up your sleeves and interpret it all and
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
have smoke coming out your ears trying to read through this thing you can upload the document into notebook lm and not only can you tell it to create like a user guide or a study summary or anything else that's super palatable for you based on what you uploaded but there's even an audio function and i can upload and i did this a couple of weeks ago i uploaded a dna test that one of my clients got and i told it to generate a discussion
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Feld. Feld.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
between two people about that person and what it is that they saw on that DNA test that could help that person improve. And it created like a mini podcast of two AI people who sounded very much like humans having a nice friendly chat about my client's gene results.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And so if I'm going for a walk and I've got, let's say, a consultation call coming up with that client, I can listen to the AI talking about my client, filling me in on what was going on in a way that could be way easier to understand than digging through the whole gene test. And that's all just based on PDF or image recognition technology. It's pretty cool.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
We are living in convenient times. And I mean, don't get me wrong. You still got to double check and make sure AI didn't make mistakes because occasionally it will still do things wrong, but it's still, it's pretty convenient.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And sometimes that's not on the label. Right. So you literally have to ask. You know a really popular company, Zevia? Yeah, of course. It's not artificially sweetened soda. Those soft drinks. I interviewed their CEO years ago. And that was one of the first questions I asked was, do you guys pay attention to the cans?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Like, how do you even keep all that information in there? I don't think it is like a computer. I think it's more like the Arthur Conan Doyle character, Sherlock Holmes, who says to Watson at one point early in the book, when they first meet, he says something like after Watson tells him his name, Watson's name, he says, Oh, I'm going to forget that. Watson says, why?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
He says, because the more things I have rolling around and clunking inside my head, the less I'm likely to be able to do a good job being a detective and sleuthing because I just want a clear mind, so I don't like to have my head jumbled around with facts. There's two things that I do. The first is I keep a very clear head.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Meaning I will tend to ruminate on things, think about things, wake up at 2 a.m. I have notes apps all over my phone with all of the little notes that I take right away to get them off of my plate and out of my head. So it's basically the idea of an ever living journal that goes along with you wherever you go. For me, all through college, it was like little paper journals that I keep in my pocket.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Now it's just the notes app on my phone. So I'm constantly keeping a clear head. So I'm not sitting here during this podcast, trying to remember those three things that I promised, you know, three other people that I do later on today, all those little things start to gum up the subconscious. So I put, I write everything down. So I keep very good notes on everything.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And then second, I focus a lot on my category, right? Which is health, fitness, longevity, biohacking, nutrition, whatever.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And because I've been in this sector for like 20 years now, a big part of it too is just once you start seeing the same things over and over again, reading the same things over and over again, it's like grooving that part of your brain to where you asked me about politics or crypto or anything like that, I'm going to be a complete idiot.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But because I spend a lot of time immersed in health and fitness, it's almost like osmosis, you know, long-term osmosis. Yeah. So there's something to be said for like, if you're a young person getting a career or something like really rolling up your sleeves and telling yourself, Hey, I'm going to be a pro in like 20 years. And I'm just going to stick at this every day and learn as much as I can.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I think Feld does sound pretty cool. I need to go by that like a spy.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If you really want to become like an expert in your field. So a big part of just not jumping around too much.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So, and I realized I still owe you an answer about the exercise blueprint piece, but I'll come back to that.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
No, I've got it in my head. Okay. Just don't let too many things train wreck in my head, and I'll come back to it.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Because you can have a super healthy drink and then just screw it up by putting it in the wrong delivery mechanism. He was like, yeah, we go aluminum free and we test it for metals. And I thought that was cool considering you can find it in like Safeway or Rosars or whatever. Yeah. Which a lot of times means they would be cutting corners. So you don't know about the can necessarily.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You've got the exercise blueprint. We've still got to finish these drinks. Yeah, the ingredients. But I'll tell you how I got into this first. I was not interested in exercise or fitness or physical sciences at all for the early majority of my life. I was homeschooled in North Idaho, K-12, had very strict parents, didn't get out much, played violin for 13 years. I was president of the chess club.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I can sit in my room and read fantasy fiction and write tales about princesses and orcs and dragons. I was a total nerd. I got into tennis when I was 14, and for some reason, I was just really good with a racket in my hand.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And wound up playing for the local high school teams, playing for the USTA, the United States Tennis Association, got really good, got a really high ranking, wound up walking on to the college tennis team.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to major in at the time.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
LCSC, Lewis Clark State College, NAIA College in Lewiston, Idaho. And I transferred up to University of Idaho. I had started like eating healthy after being on a standard American diet most of my childhood, like fast food hamburgers and taking baked pizza and macaroni and cheese and just standard American diet.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
and i had gotten interested in fitness like running up and down the hills behind my house and i got my first little pair of 10 pound dumbbells from the sporting goods place down the road so i'd also started training and paying more attention to my diet so i was getting somewhat interested in this whole realm and then like you know three quarters of the student athletes at college they were kinesiology or exercise science majors so i was like what the heck i'll i'll declare this as a major
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And even though I got very little exposure to that during my largely classical Christian homeschooling education that didn't really have much of a focus in the physical sciences at all, I fell in love with all that stuff. Anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, biomechanics, organic chemistry, all of the science, like the hard science stuff. I loved it. And that surprised me.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But I wound up getting so in love with that that I went pre-med. I took the MCATs. I actually did get accepted to six different medical schools and opted not to go to medical school. But all during college, I worked as a personal trainer. I worked as a nutritionist. I helped to manage the wellness center at University of Idaho. So I was immersed in this all through college.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And then I got a job in hip and knee surgical sales after I got my master's degree in exercise physiology and biomechanics.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. Okay. A pretty large amount of education in this as a background. But the reason that I took that job in hip and knee surgical sales was there were two MD-PhD programs, one at Duke and one at UPenn, that I did not get into that I really wanted to get into. So I thought, well, I'm going to go work in the private sector for a while and see if I can
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
have a better resume for applying to medical school because my MCAT scores were good, but I just, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to say anything offensive, but I guess as like a young white male at the time, I had kind of an uphill battle to get into some of the schools that I really wanted. That's not the only reason. That does play a role.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah, it was clean.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I was going to Duke or UPenn. Yeah, I was super interested in both of those because I wanted to do medicine and research.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I got nine months into that job in hip and knee surgical sales, and I hated it. I hated being in hospitals. None of the doctors seemed to enjoy their lives or their existence. Nobody told me it would be a good idea for me to go to medical school. I missed fitness. I missed nutrition.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I didn't like standing there with a laser pointer showing how an orthopedic surgeon how to like put $40,000 overpriced knee and hip implants and the people who would have been better served through exercise and dietary interventions.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It is, but you can have some kind of like a liner inside the can that keeps the metals from leaching.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And one day I just quit and I walked into the gym across the street from the condo I was living in in Liberty Lake, Washington, and asked for a job at the Liberty Lake Athletic Club. And I got hired as the fitness manager there. And I had a good resume at the time just because, you know, I was loaded up with everything I've done in college.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And long story short is a year into that and managing their fitness center, I met up with a doctor who was interested in creating a one-stop shop for sports medicine. We have like chiropractors and massage therapists and physical therapists. And I was going to be the director of sports performance, which I was super excited about. And so we opened this center. And I operated that for five years.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And during that time, I got voted as America's top personal trainer. This was in 2008.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The National Strength Conditioning Association, which is the creme de la creme personal training search in the U.S. What's it called? NSCA.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I was nominated by a bunch of the local physicians because of the work we were doing with the government's Exercises Medicine Initiative. So we were taking a lot of the patients and transforming them in our facility because we had the best of the best stuff. We were doing blood analysis, calorimetry analysis, VOT to max analysis, high-speed video cameras, blood work, nutrition coaching, testing.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You could do a third-party independent test on the can itself if you wanted to.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
This was way before all these fancy biohacking facilities, but- I was kind of like early adopter of a lot of that stuff. And so that's what kind of thrust me into the limelight, that 2008 nomination. And that's when I started doing more podcasting and writing and more online coaching and advising and investing in a lot of what I do now.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But that's kind of like, long story short, my journey of nerded out homeschooler in the backwoods of Idaho to really starting a big health and fitness business.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I didn't do it. I did take him at his word, but I don't think he's lying. A podcast that says a little, because that could blow up in your face if somebody actually does.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
2016?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I mean, when I started my podcast, there was maybe 100 podcast tops and like five in the health and fitness category. It was like you had to code your RSS feed and submit it to Apple and wait two weeks. And if it was over like 100 megabytes or something like that, it would break. And it was wild, wild west of podcasting.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The majority of my following for years was the triathlon and endurance sports world. I raced Ironman. I did the world championships in Hawaii six times. I coached. I had clients all over the world. I was repped by or I repped a wetsuit company and a shoe company and a bike company and raced for Team Timex. So I was actually kind of like a big name in the triathlon world.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So I wrote like marathoning manuals and a lot of my early books were about triathlon training. And when I got out of triathlon, just because I got burnt out on that sport, I kind of just started to shift into what got me out of triathlon in the first place, right? Like burnt out, working out the wrong way, healthy on the outside, but not healthy on the inside.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Test it later on. So they've got brewed coffee, unfiltered skim milk. And when you look at, this is one of the terms that I sometimes don't like in the health industry, lean protein, right? Because you hear about,
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Started doing blood work and biomarker evaluations and realized, hey, there's a lot more to being healthy and living a long time than just like exercising your butt off and eating lean protein and egg whites.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So that's what kind of got me down the road of looking into what functional medicine is and naturopathic medicine and biohacking and recovery modalities and self-quantification and all the things that I think now, if you piece them all together, can allow you to be a really well-functioning person without just taking the exercise and the nutrition box.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
In World War II, going in to kill Hitler. Ben Greenfeld.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Methylene blue and laser lights and coffee enemas. All the things. And part of it too is like you just learn. And a big part of it too is like my podcast for the longest time was strictly a Q&A podcast. So I went from answering questions about like, how do I bench press or how do I run a 5k to, well, I've already answered those questions in episode number 82 or 83.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So I'm going to answer this question about which side do you lay on when you do a coffee enema? and I've never done one, so I better go do these and figure out and reply to the question because it's almost like my audience kept me evolving by asking all these weird questions. That makes sense.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And as podcasts got bigger and bigger and the information era blew in, now there's all these different biohackers and fitness enthusiasts, and I still would get and do get asked, what do you think of this? What do you think of that? So it's like a constant evolution of not really trying to be weird or attention-grabbing
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
but almost winding up doing that organically by replying to a bunch of weird viral questions, like the 12, 3, 30 treadmill workout or whatever.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
eggs for example right if you eat just egg whites you get a huge dose of albumin the protein in egg whites and many people have an inflammatory response to just eating egg whites when you look at eggs as nature's perfectly packaged protein that include the fat soluble vitamins which also can help out with the vitamin absorption with the protein absorption etc then you've got a little bit more of a cleaner profile so there's the idea of like
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It depends on your definition of extreme. I mean, I'm definitely not like, cause I was racing Spartan races and doing Ironmans, the body building, all that crazy extreme stuff. I don't do that anymore. I think probably though, you know, cause I still get, you know, hired to shoot videos for people or, you
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
whatever you know do methylene blue tongue sticking out shots or whatever and so there is a certain extent where like if you're an influencer if you're in social media or if you're trying to be a pattern interrupt you do have to step outside the box a little bit not totally like a talking head
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. I like that Oliver Berkman book, 4,000 Weeks. Like you have 4,000 weeks to live. Yeah. Like I don't grasp at straws. I mean, I just told you I'm a Christian. Like I believe I'm going to live forever in eternity. And so I'm not trying to like do it all in this life, but I also don't like to waste time. I can't even sit through a movie.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Even right now, like I'm self-conscious that like I just opening the kimono like two minutes ago, I started thinking, have I told the audience anything like in the past five minutes besides talking about myself? And so I'll start thinking that way because I'm like, I don't want to waste their time hearing Ben talk about sitting in his bed in Idaho reading fantasy fiction.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
These guys came to give us an IV, by the way, so let them put us into like a- Have you ever gotten hooked up to an IV while you're recording a podcast to try to keep conversation flow going?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I've done it before. The only part that sucks is if they miss a vein or something and then they start poking you.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Let's hope they're good. Yeah. Should we usher them in?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Long story short is you and I were both at an event for founders and executives and entrepreneurs called Founderland, and they were doing IVs there. And I met one of the doctors at the after party. And I told her at some point we were doing this podcast. I said, we should get an IV during the show. And then it just happened.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's nicotinamide riboside to get less of like a flushing reaction and your gut doesn't flip and it's better absorption. And it's shorter with arguably very similar effects on things like sleep deprivation and energy and mitochondrial health. So.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I don't know what the half-life of an NR is.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah, I got a stem cell IV yesterday.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
At Joy Kong's office up in Malibu.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
We'll find out if any veins bust open. Oh my God. I think I'll be okay. Excess IVs can cause scarring of the vasculature if the needles are repeatedly placed in the same location over and over again. But the idea of like, if you're using a different delivery portal, there's no reason that you can't get like stem cells one day and NAD one day and a multivitamin cocktail the next day.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
in the health industry, right? Eat lean chicken breast. I'm like, no, like you get a lot of the fat soluble vitamins and the good stuff and even more of the collagen from the gristle, from the bones, from the skin.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The NR ones? Yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. As a matter of fact, my favorite stack for sleep deprivation is NR, NAD or NMN, which are all just like...
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
nad precursors and creatine because when you're sleep deprived two things happen you get less atp in the brain and creatine the phosphagen creatine can help to replenish that and then the nad assists with the cellular repair mechanisms that should have occurred when you're sleep deprived and so yeah i mean coffee and energy drinks and all that stuff and kind of band-aid sleep deprivation right
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Using about 10, higher than what you use for strength and power, like 10 to 20 grams of creatine a day. And that will give you disaster pants if you take it all at once. So you can do like four or five gram portions spread throughout the day if you're sleep deprived. You don't need to do this every day. And then NAD, IV patch, oral capsule, whatever.
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Fantastic for sleep deprivation.
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If you're sleep deprived, then... coffee, five-hour energy, green tea, like all these central nervous system stimulants can kind of like short-term jack you up. But NAD combined with creatine, that stack is incredible because it helps to simulate a lot of what you would have gotten during sleep, ATP restoration in the brain and cellular repair mechanisms.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So like if I make chicken, yeah, it's going to be more calories if you eat the skin and have the oils and everything on there, but you're arguably getting more nutrient density and better health long-term versus separating the proteins from the fats.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
A couple capsules, although I recommend more than you'd usually take. So you take like four capsules of like the true nitrogen and then you do 20 grams of the creatine. But you split that into four or five gram portions throughout the day.
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It's my new identity. No.
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That's why you wouldn't want to do it every day. But you also shouldn't be sleep deprived every day. That's true. You've got deeper issues to address.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I wear this ring. Oh, you do? Yeah. I wear a ring. Rings don't produce an appreciable amount of EMF. Like a class three Bluetooth signal is not a big... Maybe if you had it next to your head, like an AirPod inside your ear all the time. Some people say it affects red blood cell flow and can cause clumping or heating of tissue. But Bluetooth is way...
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
less important of a fish to fry compared to like wifi and radio frequencies from phones, et cetera. So I use a cheapo actually just replaced it. My last one pooped out after six years, but he's a cheapo like $30 Timex watch and a ring and a blood glucose monitor.
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I do wear a blood glucose monitor.
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Not because I don't know by this point after using one for two years what does and does not spike my blood glucose, but just because what gets measured gets managed. I'm less likely to like blow through a bunch of dark chocolate trail mix on an airplane if I know I got to look at the levels later on.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Or drink a 100-calorie cane sugar-infused caramel latte high-protein iced coffee.
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With Paul's advertising on the front of it.
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It says lactose-free energy, but it's got skim milk in it. However, they added lactase enzymes, so the lactase enzymes digest the skim milk.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I'm just kidding. It's not that bad. That's good that they put lactase in there along with the skim milk. Look at this one. If I could wave a magic wand, I'd rather they be using regular milk because all the studies on the benefits of dairy tend to be much stronger with full-fat dairy compared to low-fat or fat-free dairy.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The fats and dairy, especially for the metabolic function, for the satiety, for brain function, and for bone health. If you go with full fat instead of low fat or fat-free. So it's kind of like back to eggs. I'd rather you eat eggs with the egg yolk rather than egg whites. I'd rather you have chicken with the chicken skin and the gristle and the bone than have just pure skim milk.
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It's more than just calories. And obviously, we're talking about calories. Yeah, it's skim milk, but there is... a hundred calories in this. And they do use art or they do use, um, uh, low calorie sweeteners. Looks like, uh, Stevia. And, uh, yeah. So, so if I'm looking at ingredient label, I do like to see Stevia or allulose or D ribose or erythritol.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If people's guts can handle a sugar alcohol, then like acetylfamipotassium or sucralose. But when I'm looking at an ingredient label, this is actually pretty clean. I would give this like an eight on a one to 10 scale.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But I would say if you're concerned about like fat-free milk and isolating the proteins from the fats, you know, like either a nut milk, like an almond milk or a coconut milk or an oat milk without the cane sugar added, or just like using whole milk would be a little bit better.
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We're only two ingredients into the label of one drink. But I love this because we can rabbit hole as we go.
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Yeah, it is. It is good.
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Yeah.
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Right. I would drink this, honestly, if I weren't myself a little bit lactose intolerant. And I know if I can have dairy, if it's fermented, and this is the case for many people, if you ferment the dairy, if you do like a good fermented yogurt or a kefir, or those would really be the two primary delivery mechanisms for fermented yogurt. You can do better if you're lactose intolerant.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You can also do better on milks that have lower amounts of lactose sugar. Like goat milk camel milk etc but if what did you say goat milk like a lot of i raise goats so i we do have goat milk and how about camel you said camel milk it's a thing you can find it yeah stop it yeah okay exactly yak milk where do you buy camel milk
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The camel milk company out of California is where I've gotten it in the past.
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Yeah, it's from a camel. Yeah. Surprising. Do you drink it? It comes from a camel. I have, but it's also really expensive.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I don't know because I don't really buy it anymore. But it is better for the body. Why? Cow's milk. Because of a few reasons. Lower amounts of lactose, a smaller protein that's more bioavailable than the larger protein found in cow's milk. And also a lot of cows are bred now for A1 protein instead of A2 protein.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So when you see at the grocery store that you can buy A2 milk, that is milk that tends to produce a little bit less of an immune response in the body. And camel's milk and goat's milk are naturally more like an A2 or they have less of the A1 based protein.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
We could just do a whole podcast about how we would assassinate Hitler.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Well, the nice thing about nut milks, again, if you are adding a bunch of cane sugar to them and thickeners and fillers, is that a lot of people who just don't do well with milk in general do better with that and they're lower calorie in most cases. There's some that are higher calorie, like I think macadamia nut milk is the highest. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But one issue is if you want to be careful with your calorie count, a nut milk is a better substitute compared to a dairy milk.
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Yeah, yeah. And you can see on this can, they say no carrageen, right? That is a filler that can upset a lot of people's stomachs. And it says lactose-free, sucralose-free, erythritol-free, but I don't want to throw them under the bus when I said false advertising. It's technically, they have an enzyme in their lactase that allows you to digest the lactose.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So it's not lactose-free, but it's more like they have the carrier agent in there that helps you digest the lactose. So technically, by the time it gets into your stomach, it is lactose-free.
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Theoretically.
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This one is about, but this one has erythritol in it, which can be a little bit, like if people have like small intestine bacterial overgrowth.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I don't know. It's not bad though. It's oxygenated. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's a hydrogen infused water. That's good.
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Sorry, I ate my carrots.
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Okay, good. See? It's pretty small. So Magic Mind, New Elixir, Matcha Green Tea, Agave. And it's a very small bottle. So a lot of people see agave and they'll be like, oh, that's just a 100% sweetener. And agave does have a higher amount of fructose in it. The thing with fructose, fruit juices, fruit sugars, et cetera, is a lot of people have vilified them.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You know, the idea that fructose is a poison. I think Dr. Robert Lustig introduced that concept in his book about calories.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So it is true that fructose can elevate triglycerides and contribute to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, but only in a case in which the liver and muscle glycogen stores are already topped off. That's at which point fructose starts to spill over and cause issues. So if I'm burning 2000 calories a day and I'm drinking 2000 calories a day of Coke, and that's all that I'm drinking,
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I would theoretically not elevate my triglycerides or get a lot of the issues associated with fructose because I'm at a net calorie balance. I wouldn't advise it because you're also going to be like, you're going to have low nutrient density and you're not getting enough protein, et cetera, if you're just drinking Coke.
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But if people see agave or fructose or high fructose corn syrup, sometimes there's some harsh chemicals and things like that used to make that. So that's a whole separate side issue. But the idea of fructose in general is that if you're a physically active person,
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and you're not overeating, and you're having fruit juices, fruit in a blender, agave in a drink or whatever, it's usually not an issue unless you're eating too many calories, at which point fructose can become an issue.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Right. And if the fruit is sweet and has a high glycemic index, which grapes do, long-term, you're getting so many insulin surges due to that high sugar content that you could create a long-term state of insulin insensitivity. And then you get some appetite control issues, you get some metabolic issues that long-term could cause problems in
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Even if you're not overeating the grapes or fruit, you're just eating enough to spike your blood sugar repeatedly throughout the day.
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Like an hour.
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The first thing she did was remove a bunch of my blood and ozonate it and then inject that ozonated blood back into my body. Yes. What? Which is kind of like an antiviral, antibacterial, oxygenates the blood. Then she did laser lights, which sounds kind of funky and weird. See, this is what I was telling you.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Now, it is true that when you get one of these food allergy tests, a lot of times foods that are staples in your diet can end up giving almost like a false positive that you're allergic to them. And it's because your body is doing a really good job creating antibodies to certain proteins in those foods. So it flags as a high antibody response, even though you're not actually allergic.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The light helps to direct the stem cells or activate the stem cells using photonic absorption of the light, so they're more efficacious. Then after all that and a few other little things like hydrogen water and some peptides, et cetera, then she did the stem cells as the icing on the cake.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So that means that they haven't grown them to increase the amount of mesenchymal stem cells, which are the active stem cells that would theoretically be rejuvenative or have some type of anti-aging qualities. Okay. And if you go overseas, MUSE stem cells, I don't know if those fall into the category of expanded cells, but that's a brand new form of stem cells that not a lot of people know about.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's a multilinear lineage undifferentiated stem cell extract is what I believe MUSE stands for. Multilinear undifferentiated stem cell extract.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And the reason that that's interesting is because normally stem cells called ISPC stem cells have a high mesenchymal stem cell count, but they also have very low histocompatibility, meaning a lot of people have an inflammatory or an immune response that can be unhealthy or dangerous or very uncomfortable for people.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
and the muse cells do have a high amount of histocompatibility meaning if you were to get an infusion with them or an injection into a joint there's a very low likelihood that you're going to feel crappy afterwards but they have a very high amount of healing capacity issue is you do have to travel internationally and they're expensive.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
However, from what I understand, they require fewer expansions than a normal expanded stem cell. And every time you expand the stem cell lineage, you run the risk of mutations, you run the risk of impurities, and you run the risk of them causing issues in a patient in which they're injected. So if you get stem cells in the U.S., they're unexpanded,
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
but they're also arguably a little bit safer unless you're getting something like, let's say, a mu cell. You mean, you're talking about it's safer internationally or safer domestically if you're concerned about histocompatibility because the FDA is pretty strict about how stem cells are regulated. Actually, I don't think they're technically regulated by the FDA.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
but they're considered to be almost like a pharmaceutical drug or they're treated a little bit like one. They're not quite classified as a drug. You know, they're trying to classify them as a drug, but there's so much regulation in the US that you do have a lower risk of side effect issues, but also a lower stem cell count. So you're getting less of the good stuff.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Arguably, the question is how much less of the good stuff for it to be an issue. Now, what I did was simply a stem cell infusion. This is an anti-aging or longevity or brain health play, right? Stem cells straight into the bloodstream. They go throughout the body. It's like a shotgun approach.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
if you were to go to let's say doctor like you just mentioned dr khan like he has clinics in cabo and dubai and toronto he will do stem cell infusions but he also does injections into different joints using ultrasound guided imaging and this is something you can do for like back treatment or knee treatment or shoulder treatment and even though you can also do that in the us
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The idea of regenerative medicine using safe expanded stem cells overseas is a good idea, but it's going to be a lot more expensive and inconvenient than doing it in the US. So there's benefits to both. And I bounce back and forth. I've done international stem cell treatments. I've done domestic.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So if I look at the results of somebody's food allergy test or food intolerance test, and it says, hey, if like red on eggs, you must be allergic to eggs. I asked them, are you eating eggs every day? Because a lot of times that can cause it to be elevated.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If you're literally just in it for anti-aging and you want to do like, you know, like the doctor I was with yesterday, Dr. Joy Kong, she's like 53 years old and she looks like she's 40 and she's been doing quarterly stem cell infusions. So every three months for like eight years or something like that.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And that's, you know, that's not something out of the reach of someone who just wanted to go to a clinic and get a stem cell infusion every quarter.
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I don't know.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. I know if you were to go overseas and do the full meal deal, like the super duper fancy stuff, and you were to get like gene therapy and T cell therapy and stem cell therapy, that's the whole anti-aging package that a deal does. And I think that's 50K.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Well, you know, the whole theory about there's like a butterfly effect. And if somebody had killed him, somebody worse might have come up in his stead or, you know, because there's there's a whole moral philosophical argument of like, is murder wrong? And would you if so, would you go back in time? And if you had the opportunity to kill Hitler when he was a baby?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If you're doing stem cells, you want them to go into a really stress-free, low inflammation environment. So everything from like eating a really clean diet, avoiding alcohol, you know, grounding and earthing and exercise, but not too much. And, you know, avoiding toxins in your food.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And, you know, they're like really babying your body before and after is better because essentially, if you think about it, you just injected a whole bunch of fragile new baby cells into your body. And so you don't want to go like have a couple of old fashions afterwards or something like that. Right.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. And, you know, this kind of harkens back to the idea of like the Goldilocks zone of exercise, right?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
There's a researcher named Dr. James O'Keefe, and he's identified that if you exceed about 75 minutes per week of vigorous intensity exercise, 150 per week of moderate intensity exercise, the potential for plaque accumulation, atherosclerosis, and inflammation begins to exceed the benefits of the exercise.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And there's a lot of people, like people who are doing CrossFit every day or training for an Ironman or a marathon or whatever, who are definitely experiencing
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
exceeding those numbers so you wouldn't want to be over training you would want to be over drinking you wouldn't want to have tons of exposure to like you know emf and wi-fi and stress and you know all these unhealthy things especially if you're focusing on stem cell therapy
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
That doesn't mean that if you're eating eggs every day and you feel like crap, you're not sleeping well, you have gas or bloating or poor energy levels or whatever, and you cut the eggs out and those symptoms go away, maybe you actually were allergic to eggs. But anything that flags on a food allergy profile as an issue, that is also a staple in your diet.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You can pretend they're stem cells just to be cool.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
i have probably done like 20 stem cell therapies everything from joints to infusions and i don't know what 42 year old ben would be like not having done those so i don't really have a good comparison yeah but i can tell you that i feel really good i don't have a lot of like the aging issues that it seems like a lot of my friends are having to deal with
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I feel like I've maintained a great amount of youthfulness, and I would attribute some of that to the stem cells. I've been able to fix some worn and torn joints, like a knee, with stem cells. And I feel like I'm 18 years old, so I feel pretty good.
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There you go.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I think a lot of this stuff, just like anything in the biohacking or the health, it stacks, right? Like I go in the sunshine, but not too much UVA. And I put on good, clean sunscreen if I'm going to do that. Do you wear sunscreen? I use red light therapy. I do if I'm going to have a high UVA exposure. And now...
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I recently did a podcast about this toxins, poor air, bright overhead lights, airline radiation, sunlight coming in through a window or it's blocking some of the UVB. All of these things dictate that a small amount of low SPF sunscreen is not a bad idea. A lot of the time, especially for fragile, thin skin like the face. So I've been using, so I have sunscreen on right now.
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like i've been using a lot more of it and i use the young goose products basically every two months i use their anti-aging package it's like six different bottles plus sunscreen so it's like a cleanser moisturizer serum and those are all based on peptides they've got a bunch of transdermally bioavailable peptides and that's probably i would say the it's made the biggest impact on my skin health is when i started using those products
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Thanks.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Well, I do.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. Do they look like you? Two brothers and two sisters.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I would say I'm self-conscious, like comparing myself to my brothers and sisters. I think my skin has aged less than theirs possibly, but I don't know. Have you gotten stem cells in your skin? Thorough analysis of side-by-side analysis.
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Yeah. I have had my skin treated with stem cells also. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I think it does make a difference. I think that if you're looking at beauty using good, clean skin care products and taking advantage of the newer developments and things like peptide absorption for skin health is a good idea. So I like that the company, for example, Young Goose is one that I use, although I found out from Joy Kong last night that she's now making skin cream.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I've got a couple of my backpack that she puts umbilical stem cells and peptides into. I even ask her how much it costs. It's probably like the world's most expensive skin cream. Can I have one of them? But I have it and she's just up the road. I would give it to you, but she told me that I'm supposed to do like a before after and use the two different bottles for a month and then.
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Benjamin Greenfeld or Benjamin Button. Yeah. And then a clay mask once a week combined with red light therapy daily. I think red light therapy for collagen and elastin for the face is fantastic. The clay mask helps to draw out toxins, moisturizes. I do a derma roller before I do the clay mask. So I'm getting some of that dermal abrasion.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
First, make sure that it's not just because you've been having a lot of it.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I think if I were to go to a beauty clinic and do a microneedling protocol, that would be better than derma rolling, but I don't really have the... time or the desire to do that.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Once a week.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Alitora. All the way down to like, it's got like six day old baby goat derived colostrum in it. Like you read the ingredient label and you're like, are they kidding me? Like just crazy stuff. Colostrum and all these different like antioxidants and nutrients, like face food. How much is that? I don't know. I think it's probably like around 50 bucks for like a little thing of it. Can of it, yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
20 minutes. Okay. And then I actually walk around for a little while longer and just let the clay dry just while I'm doing my thing. And I go shower it off.
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Yep.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
In addition to the clay mask, I do a scrub once a week. So twice per week, my skin is getting embraced. Once with the derma roller plus the clay mask, once with the scrub. You wouldn't want to get skin turnover all the time because then you're just going to wear away the skin layers too quickly and have a very, very fragile face. But scrub once a week, clay mask once a week with the derma roller.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Young Goose products, the moisturizer, toner, serum, their whole suite, once in the morning, once in the evening. And then I probably had stem cells on my face three times.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Did Dr. Kahn do it to you? Everything I'm saying is nowhere near what, you know, there's like biohackers like freaking Brian Johnson who are doing a full laser resurfacing thing. Crazy.
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Yeah.
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No, I did that with Dr. Adelson. I did Dr. Adelson's full body stem cell procedure. I've done that twice in Park City, Utah. And they go toe to head. They do literally hair, skin, nails, genitals, every joint up and down the back. And I mean, you're like, you're literally under anesthetic induced surgery for like four hours and they do everything.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
That is something that would fall into the category of dietary diversity, meaning that the more myopic you are about eating just a select group of foods, the less dietary diversity you will have.
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Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I've done it twice.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Well, as you age, you do decrease your bioavailable stem cell pool. The first time that I did it, he used my own stem cells. He tapped my hips and used my own bone marrow and made like a bone marrow soup with stem cells and then injected that into all my joints, skin, everything. And then he came out with a new protocol in which he uses umbilical stem cells.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And because of the reasons I was talking about earlier, you get a little bit less of like an immune response, cytokine inflammatory response to those who recover faster.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
and i wanted to see what that second protocol that he does was like so i went down there and did it again both times that i've done it like you feel kind of like you got hit by a truck for a few days because you're kind of sore you got everything injected and then within a couple of weeks you start to feel like superman you recover faster uh your erections are better your skin looks better like your hair skin nails everything grows faster so it definitely turns back clock
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
That I think is $70,000 to do. Yeah. It's a pretty big procedure.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I mean, theoretically the benefits would last for your life, but I would say, you know, if you were doing this a full on anti-aging play, this would be something you could do like every four or five years. You don't have to do it. I mean, if you did it just once, you'd see huge benefits in turning back the clock.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
He doesn't do the full body one. Dr. Allison's one of the only guys I know of in the world who specializes in, because it's a pretty intensive procedure and there's two doctors working on you at the same time. And it's kind of, it's kind of one of those things where, Hey, let's just shotgun everything. And not a lot of doctors will do that, but Dr. Khan is very good at joints.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
He's very good at back. He also does, like I said, gene therapy, T-killer cell therapy.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
He does like a bagel nerve block where he resets your nervous system with an injection into the vagus nerve. He has some cool tricks up his sleeve that you can't do in the States. So you can travel internationally and get some crazy stuff.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Which one?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The vagus nerve is the nerve that kind of snakes through your whole body, innervates the pacemaker cells of your heart. It helps you to manage stress if it's well-toned.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
There are things like chanting, singing, humming, gargling, cold water face dunks, even electrical vagus nerve stimulators you can hold up to your neck, all of which work to specifically increase your heart rate variability, like lower stress by toning the vagus nerve and increasing your ability to have good balance between your
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
your fight or flight nervous system and your rest or digest nervous system. That's basically how addressing your vagus nerve can have benefit. Lower stress, improves digestion, improves cardiovascular function, improves focus, etc. That's the benefits of the vagus nerve. The more stress that you're under, the more likely it is that you have poor vagal nerve tone or poor nervous system balance.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Now, if you wanted to just say, okay, I'm going to roll up my sleeves and use the big guns on this thing, that's where you could literally go to a doctor. And this would be normally something for like extreme PTSD or trauma, or just stress that someone cannot manage at all. That won't go away that you would do this. You wouldn't normally just like,
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So the less diverse your microbiome becomes, which can create this vicious feedback loop because by eliminating foods constantly and going gluten-free and lectin-free and then low fiber and then low FODMAP and beginning to get rid of all these foods, your biome becomes weaker and weaker and you paradoxically become... less and less able to be able to digest a wide variety of foods.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
wander into a doctor and have them jam a needle right behind your carotid artery because it's a delicate procedure. And often because there's some throat swelling involved, you do one side one day, then you wait a couple of days or at least a day to do the other side, but you're supposed to do both sides.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's also known as a stellate ganglion nerve block. It could be dangerous if the person doing it, it's kind of like if you would get a brain surgery, you'd preferably want the surgeon who's done like thousands of them versus the person every once in a while does them. Adeel does a lot of them. Another doctor, Dr. Matt Cook in San Jose, he does them.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Dr. Avi Herskovich, also he's in San Francisco, he does them. So there's a few people you can go to to get them done. And you sit up after having had the injection and you feel like you've smoked a joint and had a glass of wine all at once and your stress levels just melt away and it feels like that for at least a couple of weeks.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. But think about this. If you open that window, it's almost like ketamine therapy for addiction, right? Like if you do ketamine therapy and you realize after ketamine therapy, you've got a window for a few days where if you avoid that thing that you were addicted to, which is easier to do after the ketamine therapy, then you can break that addictive cycle. And it's kind of like with stress.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If you do a procedure like that and your body suddenly receives the message that it's safe and down regulates the sympathetic nervous system, It's going to allow you to be able to be less stressed even after the acute effects wear off. Does that make sense?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. You're not going to get anything. It's not going to be a Band-Aid.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If you get on Ozempic and you're going to control your calories and you're going to lose weight, but once you get off it, if you haven't developed healthy eating patterns during that time or used the Ozempic as training wheels— to do so say, oh, this is what it feels like to not be hungry. This is what it feels like to sit down and not eat all the food.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Or this is what it feels like to have one plate at the buffet, because I don't feel like I need more than if you were to wean off a drug like that, you would theoretically, if you, if you built the mindfulness during get to the point where you'd use it as training wheels and then you don't need it anymore. You know, it's like, even like my wife and I did fricking like MDMA couples therapy, right?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And that was the training wheels that it took for us to like really have long, deep, meaningful, honest, transparent discussions, which we now have without drugs. Yeah. And it's like, sometimes I don't think every couple, you know, for the rest of all time used to go out and do MDMA therapy to have honest discussions.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But my wife and I were at the point where we just developed, you know, almost like a barrier to doing that. And now. We can have great dates and sit in bed and talk for a long time. We don't have to like go use MDMA beforehand. Right. So a lot of these things are like training wheels.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Exactly.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
We did it six times over the course of three years ago. Last time we did it was six years ago.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Pretty big difference. And I'm cautious saying that because I don't want a bunch of couples who are having issues to feel like they need to go do drugs or plant medicines together to get over that barrier. If I could, and it's very difficult, kind of like, what would I look like with stem cells versus without? Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's very difficult to rewind the clock, but I think we could have made an even more concerted effort to just talk through our problems and have honest discussions without that. But that's just the way that things panned out. But I don't like I'm I have twin 16 year old sons, right?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Like I will be coaching them and training them and talking with them many times once they do get engaged and they're preparing for the months leading up to marriage to talk with them about how to have honest, open discussions with their significant other and
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So the idea of eating the same thing day in and day out, if that also means that you've got low dietary diversity, then the answer is yes, that can create problems long-term because you're essentially starving off your bacteria. But if you were, say, eating eggs every day and you were also, like you hear a lot of these blue zones doing, eating a lot of different herbs and spices and plants and
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
how to have you know evening prayer meetings like my wife and i have now and how to do quarterly retreats like my wife and i do now so that what do you mean what are you doing so that hopefully they and their wife don't get you know like what like we did like 14 years into our relationship and realize oh we have a lot between us because i mean
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
i don't know about you but my parents didn't like train me that much to be married yeah a lot of this stuff i just had to figure out on my own so for me i want to do a better job training my sons on what to expect during marriage and how to navigate discussions and living with another person hopefully for the rest of your life
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I, um, probably dated less than the average normal traditional public school kid, just cause there weren't a lot of girls around. Yeah, I was going to say. Prom was very lonely. Yeah. Dancing with myself. Did you go to prom even? I probably had like eight girlfriends before I, well, I met my wife in second grade Sunday school. So I've known her for a really long time.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But I didn't start like going out with her until senior, junior year of college. And up till that point, we'd been hanging out for a couple of years and been best friends before we even fell in love and started to go out together. And she went to a local classical Christian school called Logos.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And also, by the nature of going to a classical Christian school, also fooled around less, didn't have a lot of boyfriends, etc. So we, relative to the general population, probably had fewer partners than the average person. And we didn't have sex at all until we got married.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
No. No. That was just something that we committed to each other. And I promised to her parents when I asked them if I could marry her, and I wanted to stay true to my word. Really?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Which was really hard.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It was like a year and a half of torture, but...
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Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
We got maybe to second base. So... And then you guys got married? Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
No, what is it?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You mean like guys going into monk mode and just living in their basement and working out? I don't know.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Celibacy, like waiting until you're married to have sex, like that definition of celibacy.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. I got to find out. I mean, the reason I think it's a good idea is the same reason that I think just like serially dating or treating sex as a casual event is potentially risky for long-term relationship and societal stability. Mm-hmm.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I think that if you set up sex as something sacred and you set up marriage as something sacred and you don't get into marriage having developed the habit of as soon as something a partner does annoys you, you can ditch them and move on to the next person or try on some new flavors.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Then you're going to be more likely to commit to a long-term relationship, to have children, to build legacy, to build generational wealth, to set the foundation for what made this country great.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I think that even though it sounds kind of trite, if you have a bunch of young people sleeping around and not treating sex as sacred, getting into marriage, not understanding what a sacred committed relationship, even when the other person that you're with is not perfect, actually feels like and looks like, then you can create a lot of long-term societal and familial instability.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And so I think the idea of celibacy lends itself better to the foundations of a great society than the opposite.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
and fruits and a wide variety of meats and eating seasonally meaning there's certain periods of the year where you're not eating certain things paying the jet fuel to fly the avocados and the coconuts in in an environment where you normally wouldn't have access to that stuff then that's where you can also create an issue right low amount of seasonal eating low amount of dietary diversity eating the same things over and over again which seems easy and convenient but isn't great for keeping the biome healthy
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You know what I mean? Honestly, like I, I hate to say it's almost like the lesser of two evils, but I'd rather, let's say like, young men who right now are spending a disproportionate amount of time on social media, playing video games in mom's basement, whatever, not to stereotype too much.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I'd rather them be going out and doing dangerous things, jumping off cliffs, partying, drinking, et cetera, than I would a generation of young men who live in their parents' basements and don't get married till they're 40. And I'd almost rather see young people doing dangerous things than I would them doing nothing at all.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. My son's graduated high school two months ago and I kicked him out of the house. Really? They're in, I think they made it to Arizona so far. They got a used car. They don't get a dime from me. And they're just off driving around the country for, well, they're supposed to be home by Thanksgiving. They got a tent for the top of their car.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
They're like parking by the side of the road and camping and getting water from springs and eating oatmeal and beef jerky and just learning how life works and getting out of the house for a little while to just go explore, which I think is a great idea. That's so amazing. They're ready for it. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
They knew it was coming. It wasn't just like they graduated and I said, leave. We have a whole Greenfield family constitution. I mean, there's rites of passages. There's everything in there. What we do for Easter, what we do for Thanksgiving, what we do for Christmas, what time we meet for meditation in the morning, what time we have dinner at night.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Everybody's all the way down, like everybody's end of life and memorial services plan and what we would want.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
at our funeral in terms of like song sung and the dress code all the way back to what the each family's power animal is and symbol and hex color and font and what the family crest looks like and what each element of the family logo represents and the family logo is on the flags outside our front door and our throw pillows and the hoodies and hats that we wear out to dinner and everything but
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
in that greenfield family constitution which by the way having a constitution like this is a great way to back to building generation wealth building a sense of pride in the family name building a legacy that can be passed on to my sons and then improved upon in their families so there's a lot of benefits to having this idea of almost branding your family like your brand of business
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But in that constitution are rites of passage, particularly for young greenfield men, meaning when they turn 13, they have a rite of passage into adolescence. Three days out in the wilderness, backpack, blanket, knife. They have a wilderness survival instructor who they've worked with since they were six, and he oversaw that rite of passage.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
When they come out, there's a ceremony, there's a fire, there's a feast with friends and family, and that marks that they are now adolescents and they're given more responsibility and chores at home. They're treated less like kids. They pitch in more with family dinners, and they're just expected to be a greater contributory member to the family at that point.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
When they are 16, and again, this is baked into the constitution, so they've known this was coming since they were eight years old, they have to leave the house for three months. It could be an international trip, it could be a domestic trip, it could be whatever, but they just can't be under mom and dad's roof for three months. They just have to go out and fly the nest.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
No money, no. But they've had time to think about this and save up and budget, and they know how much they can spend every day to be able to not drain their bank accounts. So they do all of that. And then at age 17 is the final rite of passage into adulthood.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
at which point they'll be stamped hopefully as ready to be contributory adults to society and ready to go off and marry and start their own families or whatever it is they want to do. So age 17 is a 10-day vision quest. That's solo in the wilderness, no food, no water unless they can collect it themselves while they're out there.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Again, backpack, wool blanket, knife, and a full-on facing your own fears for 10 days and being alone and doing almost like a Native American style vision quest.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Your dad or? I did. And I did after, you know, some of my podcasts and some of my interest has been in the realm of parenting, education, raising responsible adults. I've learned a lot from different people who I've interviewed about legacy, about rites of passage.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I wove all of this and the Constitution together just based off of years of learning from people who have done similar things with their children and just kind of like borrowing from the best of the best.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I wrote a whole book about this, by the way. You did? Yeah, it's called Boundless Parenting. It's like you have the blueprint for biohacking in your lap. I also have the blueprint for parenting that's like the tools of titans for parents.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I interviewed 32 of the top parents that I know, these super successful entrepreneurs with super impactful children who are already out changing the world in politics and business and tech. I asked every parent the same set of 32 questions. My wife has like 50 pages in there, 70 pages of advice. Then there's all these 700 pages of just like deep in the trenches parenting advice.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
There's one page in the book that's like common threads, right? Things that would pop up over and over again consistently from parent to parent. The biggest one was more is caught than taught. More is caught than taught.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Meaning no matter how much you tell your kids that they need to eat healthy food and that they need to get outside and move more and that they shouldn't have their devices at the table. If they see you like.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
sneaking in Ben and Jerry's, you know, multiple nights per week and sitting inside of your desk all day without taking a break and having eight hours of sedentary time during the day and whipping out your phone like five times during dinner to check on that one last important email. They're going to catch way more onto that than they are onto what you told them, right? So children see by example.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
They don't learn by word. They see by example. So you have to be the person who you want your children to be when it comes to the positive habits that you want them to develop. So that's number one is anything you tell them, understand that you better be willing and ready and already doing that thing yourself. Another one would be caution with forbidden fruits.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's all parenting approach that formally is known as love and logic, meaning the more that you just have hard nos or hard yeses in your home. Like, no, we don't talk about porn. It's not a discussion. You don't learn about porn is just like, You're going to eventually find that out at a friend's slumber party or, you know, wherever else. And that's just, you know, it's off limits.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
We don't talk about that. Or no, you don't get alcohol. You don't taste alcohol. That's off limits. If it's forbidden fruit, that's for adults. Stay away. You know, weed, drugs, porn, any vice. If it's a hard no, you're creating forbidden fruit in your house. So for us, I've had very frank discussions with my sons about porn. Here's what it is. Here's what it does to your brain.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Here's what it does to society. Here's what it does to the way that you think about women when you're interacting with them. Here's what it does to your objectification of the opposite sex. Here are the issues that it can even create in countries with things like sex slavery and sex abuse. And you're not banned from viewing or watching porn, but here's everything that it can do.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Now you go out and make the decision." Not you can't have a cupcake at your friend's birthday party because gluten is the devil, but rather, hey, if you have too much gluten, it can cause neural inflammation. It could cause some protein inflammatory issues. It may cause some gut issues. You make the decision about whether or not you're going to have gluten.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's true that if you have a predictable set of meals, I have my yogurt with my berries in the morning and I got my lean protein on my whole grain sandwich for lunch and I eat the same thing for dinner. If you're trying to count and control calories, that makes it very simple and also makes it more likely that you're going to have fewer types of foods around the house.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
alcohol right my first experience with alcohol was stealing a bottle of scotch from my dad's office and getting drunk in my bedroom because for me alcohol was like the totally off limits thing that just the parents did at the dinner table or whatever we do like to drive farm wines quarterly organic wine delivery service to our house every month and when it comes i open up the little brochure and we taste the wine and we have a little shot glass and the boys get a sip like they're never gonna go take a bottle of wine from our pantry and go get drunk in their bedroom because it was just forbidden for them
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So using, and this takes more time and attention and presence for you as a parent, but instead of having a hard, no or hard, yes, you explain to your child the consequences of any decision that they're going to make. And then you let them deal with the consequences of that decision. With some exceptions, like a one-year-old toddling towards a hot stove.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Don't say no, it's gonna burn you like actually pull them away. And you know, if you need to slap their hands so that, you know, the, this mild sting of a slap is a lot less damage than whatever third degree burn from a stove. Right. Right.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Um, I would say the last one was, I was shocked at the number of people who didn't necessarily like homeschool or private school, but who had really good Frank discussions with whatever school that their children were going to. And many of them would just like pull their kids out of public school at random times to go on a trip or one family, like sent their kids to school an hour late every day.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And there's a really weird way to start a podcast talking about how we would kill Hitler. But if my name was Greenfeld.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So they could just have amazing family breakfast every morning before their kids went off to school. And so people who like game to the system almost.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And would not necessarily not send their kids to public school or private school, but who almost adopted a hybrid model of homeschooling, travel, more time at home, et cetera, while still being able to use the learning environment accordingly that their kids were in. So there's so much in the book, though.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah, they'd like go and talk to the teachers and just be like, hey, we know it's not summer break, but we're leaving for a week to go travel with the kids and they'd get their homework and they'd make sure they did their assignments. And they basically would think outside the box when it comes to education.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
In general, you know, which is kind of like Seth Godin's philosophy that if your kids are going to go to school, your number one job when they walk in the door from school is to start unschooling them or teaching them about how life really works versus just like the rote memorization and pure adherence that they were getting at school.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. And I self-published it because if you're a health and fitness author, you're not going to get a deal in the parenting and education category. So it was kind of an uphill battle.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If you've sold a bunch of books in one category, it doesn't transfer over into a publishing deal in a different category. If anything, it makes a publisher a little bit reticent to publish you in a different category, which I didn't know until I tried to do it.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Because one of the things that dietary diversity can cause is the more access to foods that you have, the more calories you're likely to eat.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
As big or bigger.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Amazing parents who I personally knew and whose children I'd interacted with. And it just, I probably asked a hundred different parents and I had about, I think 30, 32, somewhere in that range, the final, final book. So.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
We are pretty much on board with a lot of the same stuff when it comes to education and parenting, just because of how much we talk about it. But wait, did you homeschool your kids? Kind of. Or you did a hybrid? We did private schooling for a little while.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And then when we realized that they were just getting a bunch of homework and memorization and that private school just seemed like a glorified version of public school and they didn't have a lot of time to pursue their passions and their interests and their desires. In fifth grade, we pulled them from that and we started not homeschooling, but like unschooling.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Meaning not a lot of books, not a lot of curriculum, a lot of time spent just being outdoors, visiting museums, going on trips, cooking, taking care of animals, exercising with dad. You know, just basically this idea of learning through experience, right?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Like if you walk up to like a superfood salad bar and there's like 20 different things, walnuts and pecans and avocados and salsa and mushrooms and two different kinds of, you're going to load up the plate in many cases and wind up with way more food than you normally eat. You know, it's buffet syndrome.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So like for their sixth grade math, they built a tree fort all summer, you know, learning geometry and woodworking and angles rather than doing a math book. So unschooling is focused a lot more on experiences in life than it is on rote curriculum or hefty memorization.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Unschooling is what it's called. Yeah, there's a good book called Unschooling to University, which kind of like decodes how to K through 12. And still, if your kid wants to go to college, go to college while unschooling.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Take your parent to a job interview, but you don't have to take your parent to have your sex changed.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's a long book. Should I shoot this thing, by the way? This magic formula?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
This is magic mind. Okay. So yeah, I was saying the agave. So by the way, all the other ingredients in this look great. And I'm sure the agave is such a small amount that it's not a big deal. They've got theanine in there that balances out.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah, this looks like a good... Yeah, the fruit thing, to unpack that glycemic index part, it is interesting because I used to think that if you drank fruit juice or if you blended fruit, it would make it way more sugary and cause a higher glycemic index and more of a spike in the blood sugar.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And it turns out research has since shown that fruit juices don't spike your blood sugar any more than eating the whole fruit itself.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And when you blend fruit, you actually get a lowering of the glycemic index and less of a blood sugar response because something about blending helps to take a lot of the fibers and the seeds and the antioxidants and concentrate them in such a way that your blood sugar response is lower.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Versus eating whole fruit.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Like right away? Like in two seconds? No, it'll take you like a few minutes. Placebo effects. I mean, I can tell you, I've tried a lot of the ingredients in here before, like Bacopa for memory and Cognizant for function. Yeah, it looks pretty good.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You said something about— I was talking about the blending of fruit or the juicing of it.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yes, it could be good for weight loss and calorie control, but that is not synonymous with good health and high micronutrient and vitamin and mineral intake. So I think a part of it does come down to like self-control.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Gary, I love you, but you're wrong.
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Like Lane Norton. Yes.
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Like reaction videos?
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Oh, geez.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I don't remember. It was like unbelievable. I have no clue how I've escaped having anybody done those things to me. Nobody's ever done that to you? Nobody's ever done anything like that to me. I have no clue why, because I've said some pretty crazy things. And nobody's ever done it? I haven't said wrong things that I know of, but I've said crazy things.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. I mean, most of them are my friends. Gary Brekke, Andrew Huberman. I wouldn't say Brian Johnson is a friend, but we talk. That's different though.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's pretty impressive, but it requires you to have a highly systematized and regimented existence when you're eating back to the same thing, you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner and going to bed at, I don't know, starting to get ready to go to bed at some ungodly early hour. Like, I don't know what time it is. You don't do those things?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Well, let me think. I don't think there's much that he has not. There's much that he does that I've not done. If you want to count some of the less sexy stuff, like eating the same thing for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yes, I've done that on some days, but it's not something that I do or going to bed early or eating a super early dinner so you can sleep better.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I've done that, but because we enjoy our big breakfast. fun family dinners. I don't do that. I would say of the things that he's done that I know of, the only thing he's done that I haven't done is laser resurfacing of the face, which is a pretty intensive protocol and makes you look like a zombie for like four weeks, but it has incredible results.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If I'm going to have 20 different types of fermented foods and yogurts and superfoods and chlorella and bee pollen and dark chocolate and pastured eggs and three different kinds of meat and all this stuff in my pantry and my fridge, which I do because I love the idea of dietary diversity.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
My friend up in Spokane, Cameron Chestnut, he's an incredible cosmetic surgeon and he does those procedures. And he did one on my wife and I got home from a trip and she opened the door and it looked like a zombie movie. So she couldn't leave the house for like two weeks. And then in like four weeks, she started to look younger. And so she's 42.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I would estimate that it probably took a good like eight to 10 years off her face. It's crazy. And he does the hands and the neck so that the hands and the neck don't look old in correlation to the face. I've never seen, because I've seen a lot of, but living with someone and actually seeing that happen nearly overnight from run procedure was pretty nuts. What does he do?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So my wife's done that and Brian Johnson has done that, but I haven't done that.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Honestly, even though I like the idea of maintaining youthfulness and vigor and, you know, that's good for confidence and obviously it's on brand for me. I am like speaking so much, video cameras in front of my face so much, doing podcasts so much. I don't know of a period of time that I could go for like four weeks without having a camera on my face.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I suppose I could just do it with my face all bloody and stripped and swollen and stuff, but... I mean, I think Brian Johnson just did it like in the past couple of weeks because it popped up on my feed and he looks like shit right now and it'll look better later. But I just don't mean even the full body stem cell procedure.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I'm kind of like out of commission for maybe five days tops, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, if someone were to offer me that laser resurfacing on a silver platter and, you know, were to do it to me, I would, it would, for me, it would just be a matter of where do I find the time to, to take off.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's a long time.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's look it up. Laser resurfacing. It's pretty intensive.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Because what they do is first they do like stem cells. They take the fat out of your butt and inject it into your face. But then the finisher is a laser resurfacing. And that's what makes it look like your face got run over by a truck.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I was a little scared when I saw my wife. You didn't know she was getting it done? I knew she was getting it done, but I wasn't prepared for it to look like that. I mean, she would like be throwing up from the pain meds and her eyes bleeding. Her eyes were bleeding? Oh yeah. She's bleeding out her eyes. Yeah. But this is something like a lot of celebrities do it.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You have a lot of energy drinks here. I know. A lot of just drinks in general.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It also means you're either injecting a GLP-1 so you're controlling your appetite or you're actually just cognizant and aware, which isn't that like if you're writing it down anyways, you're using an app like Chronometer or some other calorie counting app to keep track, then it makes it a lot easier. So I think you can have your cake and eat it too.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Or like I know people who fly to Cameron's office up in Spokane to get it done. So it's not like people don't do this, but most people after they do it just stay totally hidden for like a month so you don't see them. And then they come out looking super young and, you know.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Apparently they were just juicing vegetables really well.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's more than $100,000. Wow.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
She got a discount just because he's one of my buddies. Yeah. He gave her a good deal. What kind of deal?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I don't remember exactly what it was that she got it for, but it's, I mean, if you wanted like what the top of the top thing that apparently all the celebrities are doing is the best thing for reversing age. I mean, I can tell you like she looks incredible after, as long as she looked crappy before, but I was surprised. Like it definitely.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I'm trying to think. He has one. Cameron does on his Instagram. He has a ton of before and afters on his Instagram.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Cameron Chestnut.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
He'd be an interesting guy for you to interview, actually. I was going to say. He's super interesting. You put me in touch with him? Yeah. Yeah. He's really interesting.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
okay let's start with that second question okay because we've covered a lot of the sexy stuff really stem cells peptides you know a lot of the things that i think would be super sexy or fringe that move the dial a lot we've talked about but i would say
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
One thing I've been doing recently that has absolutely transformed particularly my mornings and just my general enjoyment of the rest of the day is combining sound, light, electricity, and vibration for meditation. So this is kind of fringe, but it's totally doable. Anybody can do it. So I have this chair now. It's called a shift wave chair.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You sit in it and you wear a little fingertip monitor and it monitors your heart rate and your heart rate variability and then vibrates in correspondence to the beats of your heart and comes with audio tracks that you can listen to that coach you through breathwork sessions while the whole chair vibrates your body. which in and of itself is pretty cool.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I sat on it at the American Academy of anti-aging medicine conference. It was so cool. I got one and I used it for, I probably got it like six months ago and I use it for a while, but then I also got my hands on a light sound machine. And these are machines that you lay underneath that blast you through closed eyes, uh,
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You can barely, well, not barely, but you can detect the light, but your eyes are closed and it's almost like you've taken six grams of psilocybin without actually taking any drugs or anything. It automatically just shifts your brain into a whole different state using light stimulation. And in the past, I've used headset versions of that. Like there's one called the brain tap.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Cake in this case being dietary diversity combined with moderating the amount of calories that you consume. But it does take more mindfulness. It does. I think mindfulness is good.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
There's one called the neurovisor that I actually like. I have my bag upstairs, the neurovisor, because I still travel with it. But it shifts your brain in the same state that you'd be looking for from, let's say, like ketamine, LSD, psilocybin, any of these entheogens or psychedelics people use for brainwave shifting. But it does so using light instead, light and sound stimulation.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So I figured out how to take an AV cable from the light and connect it to the chair. So now I've got the light, the sound, and the vibration all going at the same time. And then Nikola Tesla said, if you want to understand the universe, think in terms of energy frequency and vibration.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So I've got the light frequencies and the sound frequencies and the vibration, but then I was looking for a way I could incorporate electrical energy into that. So then I outfitted that whole setup with a PEMF coil. PEMF is pulse electromagnetic field therapy. Wow. And there's one called a halo, H-A-E-L-O. And I put it in my lap during one of those sessions.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And that can be set for like meditation, inflammation, digestion, whatever. So now if you go into my downstairs living room, in the room beside my office, in the corner, there's a chair. And the chair is the shift wave. And above that is the Ruxiva lamp. And next to that is the halo PMF coil. And then I will just like pull on a gravity blanket or one of those infrared sauna blankets. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I do this usually at about 4.30 in the morning. So I literally get out of bed early and go downstairs and I do like anywhere from a 30 to a 60 minute session. And it is just the coolest thing ever. What does it do for you though? Total checkout, better creativity, better focus, even though I'm getting up early, feeling like more energy than I've ever had.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's one of the things I miss the most besides my family when I travel now is my vibrating light sound therapy chair.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
i don't have to take any drugs even though i feel like i used to feel when i like i used to experiment with plant medicine and journey and i don't do any of that stuff now but it's a similar feeling of just like relaxation forgetting all your worries meditation all at once using technology rather than drugs to shift you into that state and the cool part is you sit up from it you're just like ready to tackle the world but you're not simultaneously metabolizing a bunch of
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
drugs editor system and for example there's one session on there it's probably my favorite session it's called rebirth and the session starts with fetal heartbeat you know whooshing of of mom's womb darkness occasional flashes of light and then as the session goes on it progresses to like a whole birthing experience where you're
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
going down the birth canal and there's light and like heroic, epic music. And I've never done that and not sat up, A, crying, and B, just like ready to tackle the world. Like literally feeling almost like reborn. But you do that every day? All just with light and sound stimulation. I've probably done that 10 times, like in the past two months.
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Everything I just described to you, if you were to put everything in your living room, you'd probably spend about $20,000. Wow.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah, what's the more cost... The Neurovisor, I don't even think that's $1,000. And it's like wearable glasses that do light sound stimulation. And then there's a vibrating wristband called the Apollo. And so that's what I travel with is I'll wear the wristband or my wrist or my ankle. That does the vibration. And then I lay back and I put the glasses on and those connect to headphones.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Vibrating or so-called haptic sensations can shift your brain into a certain state based on the frequency of the vibration. It's like the Apollo can be set for calm, for stress, for focus. But how often do you wear it? They should take this needle out of my arms soon. I know. Starting to feel, yeah, you can feel like when it's done. Trust me, I know. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So the, you know how like some animals when they've been chased, I think Robert Sapolsky talks about this in his book, Zebras Don't Get Ulcers. He'll kind of like shake it off to shake off the stress. Or sometimes like if you've been really stressed, you're just like, oh my gosh.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
shake it off so vibrating does that similar function it's almost like a like a a mild moving sensation yeah that causes your brain to just like shift into a state of calm or focus or creativity or whatever it is you're looking for and then the chair that i was talking about is basically neural feedback because it's detecting based on your heart rate where you're at and adjusting it as you're breathing
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
There was like a pod in there. It's a new device. I forget what it's called, but a little bit similar to that. It's like a pod that you lay in that vibrates, that plays sounds, that...
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah, hence Ozempic. But you could look at it like with exercise, right? So let's take a trendy workout right now, like the 12-3-30, right? Walk at a 12% incline on a treadmill and three miles per hour for 30 minutes. And you're going to see huge drops in weight loss or increases in aerobic fitness, et cetera, which is kind of true. Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Yeah. Did you try that? All these things, they're very, like, they're all kind of going after the same thing, right? Like using electricity, light, sound, frequency, vibration, et cetera, to shift your brain into a certain state and to preferably do it without hefty supplementation or drug use.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Other thing...
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Made me feel way more rested throughout the entire day. I'm getting out of bed a little bit earlier. Better creativity, better focus, lower stress, higher on average heart rate variability. So it's affecting my nervous system and it is very enjoyable. Like you get this big dopamine rush. You just feel incredible when you finish it.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
The thing that I've done and the thing that I want to do. Yeah, want to do. Besides the laser resurfacing. Yeah. I would say there is an idea of an oil change for your body. And there are some medical clinics that will do things like ozone therapy where they'll pull the blood out of one arm and ozonate it and it goes into a machine that ozonates it and then it goes back into the other arm.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
there are other therapies like ozone plasmapheresis where they're doing that but it's passing through like a filter it's also called the extracorporeal blood ozonation and oxygenation where the blood comes out it gets filtered goes back in it's almost like kidney dialysis before your blood okay well there's a new company called lumati L-U-M-A-T-I.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And they've developed two different filtration systems over a three-day process of four to six hours per day. It filters out glyphosate, microplastics, COVID spike protein, Lyme, Epstein-Barr, pretty much gives you completely new blood, completely filtered blood. You fly into Encinitas, they shuttle you across the border every day to Tijuana to do the treatment, bring you back.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Your refrigerator.
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You stay in like a luxury hotel, get great food and you go back the next day and do it again. You go for three days in a row, completely detoxifies the entire system. This is something that just got developed and approved like in the past couple of months. And I think it would be incredible to do.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I'm going to do it in like three weeks.
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I just got signed up for it last week. Really? Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I don't have any of those things that I know of, like Epstein-Barr or a lot of whatever, but I think it is an incredible technology.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I spend 10 to 15 hours a week talking to people on the phone about their health problems. Wow. I do lab work. I do blood work. I do coaching where some people pay a monthly fee for me to monitor their training and their nutrition. And they just have access to text me or email me or interact with me throughout the month.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But if similar to the diet, your exercise program consists of you doing the same thing every day because it just makes it easy for you and that's what you're most likely to do. Yeah, it's better than nothing, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you're going to be more fit than the person who's like,
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And then other people will just like purchase a one-off phone call with me where they'll usually be sending me their labs and stuff like that beforehand. I'm not a doctor. I don't practice medicine, but we just talk about issues that they're having. And I tell them basically what I would do if I were in their shoes.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So I can't, again, I can't prescribe medications or prescribe labs, but often they're coming to me with labs they've gotten from their doctor or problems they've had that other people haven't been able to figure out.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And so that's like 10 to 15 hours a week, just literally helping people.
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Well, like distance training.
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Yeah.
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I do. Yeah. I mean, I used to coach like 40 people a month. Now I coach eight.
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$5,000 a month.
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Yeah.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I just do everything for them. They just wake up in the morning and do what it is that I wrote down. Keep their logs, I monitor their HRV, their sleep, and just basically, you know, everything from...
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
actors getting ready for movie roles to executives to athletes like it's it's just basically like one-on-one coaching and then i also just do random calls with other people aren't necessarily like paying a monthly fee but just doing consoles with me so i do that i do the podcast twice a week so for 17 years twice a week haven't missed a session never never amazing no and sometimes i won't record any in a week because i'm traveling but then i'll get back and record like seven
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Good for you. So the podcast.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Both. I have solo sodes where I'm answering listener questions and reporting on the latest research and then guests. So I just get – that's a huge part of my education, just getting to talk to super smart people, way smarter than me, who would normally never give me the time of day, who are like talking to me for an hour and a half. And I just get to feed through the fire hose from –
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
some author whose book i've just read or some scientists who just released some new technology that's probably the favorite part of my job yeah talking to people and then i do article and book writing that's usually i'm usually writing for anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes a day i'm just working on a new book working on an article or working on copy for something
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And then I do advising and also investing. So I advise a bunch of companies in the health and nutrition and fitness space and then invest in companies too. And then I own a supplements company called Kion. And even though I don't do a lot with that company anymore, there's still a little bit of management, some calls and things related to that. And then trying to think if I have any other jobs.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
working with the trainer or doing their own research to switch things up, you know, every week. And one week you're doing kettlebells and maybe the 12, three 30. And the next week you're doing a, you know, a high intensity interval training set on that air dine and super slow training. And the next week you're traveling. So you're doing like
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I think those are my main jobs. And then besides that, I just hang out with the family and work out in the morning and play a little tennis and pickleball and go on walks and hikes.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I don't remember where I was when you first – In London. In London. Yeah. Well, I was also like traveling, getting ready to speak to a whole bunch of people.
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I don't know. Maybe you just caught me on a bad day. No, no.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So obviously life is a constant evolution. We're always transforming and always becoming the people God has called us to become or becoming a better version of ourselves or hopefully engaging in things that help us to just become more grounded, more dialed, more authentic, more the people we are rather than who we think that the world expects us to be.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I think probably the thing that if you ask me that I've most doubled down on In the past couple of years, it would have been my own personal spiritual time, particularly when I travel. I neglected it a lot when I travel and then it'd be pretty good at home.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But now, I mean, I was walking to Sun Life Organics this morning, just memorizing James 5 in the Bible and listening to a sermon and taking care of my spiritual health before I focus on physical health or work or business or anything else. And I would say similarly, the at-home attention paid to prayer time with the family, meditation with the family, reading the Bible as a family.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I mean, if you fill yourself up with good, positive things, then it's likely that good, positive things already going to come out. Or like my mom used to say, like if somebody bumps you and you're full of honey, sweet things will come out and then they bump you and you're full of vinegar, then bitter things will come out.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I think that just like intentionally and systematically focusing on making sure that my intake at the beginning and the end of the day and my work is specifically focused on spiritual health. I think that manifests itself physically and emotionally and from a character standpoint. So I'd say that's probably the biggest thing.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I used to read a lot of positive self-help books and devotionals and books related to spirituality. And now I mostly just read the Bible. I just read the Bible. And I have an amazing study Bible where I can read the notes and unpack stuff and go back and forth between chapters. So I don't follow a reading plan per se, but right now I'm just reading the whole book of John.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
bfr training and cold plunges and the more you can mix it up the more you throw at your body the harder it becomes to kill yeah or the the more fitness you see so you see the better microbial fitness or gut fitness by throwing a lot of different foods at your body and if you look at Things like an increase in the surge of gluten intolerance or so-called gluten allergies or peanut intolerance.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
and then every morning or every evening i memorize a verse from the bible and so that is also not like through the whole bible typically i'll pick a section that's really spoken to me lately i have had some health issues in the family in the past few months and so right now again i'm memorizing james 5 just because it's about it's it's a section of it called the prayer of faith it's about
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
healing through prayer and so i'll choose something that really speaks to me in the moment before that it was psalm 23 about you know how god helps you during trials and tribulations and tough times so that was another one that i needed at the time before that it was proverbs 3 because that's a whole bunch of it's filled with a whole bunch of wisdom for young men and i was preparing my sons to go and leave on this trip so we were memorizing that together
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So just kind of like cutting out all the distractions and kind of just like super old school and simple, just opening up the Bible and reading the Bible.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
That's one thing that I've kind of changed recently versus reading a whole bunch of books written by other people about the Bible versus just opening the one book that I feel, not to get too woo, almost kind of has magical powers in and of itself and is the only book that when you're reading it, you can turn around and talk to the author right afterwards. So don't say that. And then also...
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
really doubling down on how I end the day meaning you know not Instagram or YouTube or devices or kind of like coddling myself with social media or whatever I'll just turn off the brain at the end of the day but instead just praying so me and my wife and every day you know before my mouth
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
tape goes on and my head hits the pillow we just pray and we pour out our hearts to god together you know it's like a spiritual sacred thing you can do together and yeah we just we talk to god and report our hearts and we start our day like that too but just like starting and ending the day with a real focus on the spirit and on speaking with god and learning from god to me it's just it's so fulfilling more fulfilling than a workout in a smoothie and you know you know a good day of work or anything else
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Probably because it's eternal, right? It's like our spirits are, for better or worse, the one thing, one part of us that goes on to exist for eternity.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I pray in the morning for about five to 10 minutes. I pray before all my meals and just occasionally throughout the day when I have a decision to make. And then my wife and I pray for five to 10 minutes in the evening. So it's not crazy. I mean, it's like, it's like an hour of, you know, like, you know, dancing and speaking in tongues and candles and incense.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's just, it's like a habit, like a consistent habit. It's like running a marathon every week is not as palatable as running two miles a day.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
That's kind of a funny question. So my sons have social media accounts because they're starting a tabletop gaming company. And I told them the same thing that I kind of do myself. You don't have to have all the apps and spend all your time reading the comments and posting yourself. Get a social media manager.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's well worth it because then you just don't get sucked in and you have somebody else who's posting your content and you focus on the content. You're not the manager, you're the maker. You're not the consumer, you're the creator. Right. So that's what I coach them to do. And I have a very similar mindset for myself. I'm on TikTok, but I don't know how to access TikTok.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I don't have the username or the password or anything. Like I have a social media manager who posts that stuff. If I do a video, I'll send it off to them and they cut it and post it and figure out when they're going to time it. There is such a thing as what's called organic posting.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And I literally have a calendar on my phone and it'll say like, don't post anything on Instagram today, Ben, because my social media team knows when stuff is supposed to get posted and when I don't fully understand, but all I know is I'm not supposed to mess stuff up. So I don't, ever scroll on social media. I never got it. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. Yeah. I follow people.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
A lot of that is due to heavy restriction of those compounds, especially to kids at an early age. So they don't build up the ability
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And you know, when you first open it, whatever you see, there is the first post that you see, which is so weird because I opened Instagram on the way here and you and I hadn't even talked today. And the first post was from you.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So it's almost like they knew where Uber was taking me or something. I don't know. Are you serious? I'm serious. You know that phones have capabilities. How weird though? I don't know. Maybe it literally, I mean, because it does say in my calendar on my phone, I have an appointment with Jen today. So maybe it has calendar access. I don't know. That's crazy.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But I don't actually do the scrolling thing. I have just never gotten that. And I know that it's engineered to keep me scrolling if I start doing it. So I'm on social media, but I use it as a producer and a creator, not a consumer or a manager. I don't go into the comment section. I don't scroll through feeds.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
There's occasional times when, I'll give you an example, when Iran recently attacked Israel. I clicked on that section on Twitter and read through the posts to catch up on the news. But I, that's pretty rare that I do something like that. If there's some current event that I just want to catch whatever's trending on it pretty fast, I'll do that.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But I not only am I kind of a Luddite when it comes to social media, but I've purposefully kept myself a Luddite with a lot of that stuff. I don't even know how to log into my own website anymore. I don't know my, if I did get locked out of social media, I wouldn't know how to get back in. It's just not a big part of what I do.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
the microbiome-based ability to produce the enzymes that can help to digest those foods so this is why if you go gluten-free for a really long time and then you have gluten it's way worse than having gluten back when you weren't gluten-free or when you feed a kid who's never been exposed to peanuts at two years old a bunch of peanuts or peanut butter and they have this anaphylactic reaction
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It's different from person to person. Go test your body. There are a few that seem to have broad applicability across a wide range of individuals, namely creatine, fish oil, a multivitamin, and increasingly I'm saying NAD or some variant of it.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But everything else, we live in an era where you can go test and find out if you need vitamin D or if taking vitamin D would give you vitamin D toxicity, or if you need XYZ probiotic or your microbiome is
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
balanced just fine thank you very much because you need a diet rich in fermented compounds or you do you need a fish oil or is your omega index at eight percent or above like all this stuff now is testable so i tell people hey there's a few base ones that work but besides that go test your body because it's not that expensive or difficult to do now and then you you just asked me one question i didn't answer
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
You asked me if it was better to walk on a treadmill or do the science. That's so true. That's right. And the answer is, I'll see if I can spit this out in 60 seconds. Your cardiovascular fitness is split into four different categories. Your fat burning capacity, your DO2 max, your mitochondrial density, and your ability to be able to tolerate lactic acid, aka the burn.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
If you are just walking or just sprinting, you're not going to hit all those variables. For VO2 max, once every one to two weeks, you do a hard maximum sustainable pace effort, like a four by four minutes on a bike with four minutes of recovery after each. For lactic acid tolerance, you go hard and then you recover, but not for very long.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
This would be like the classic Tabata set, 20 seconds hard, 10 seconds easy, eight times through, four minutes, boom, done. That can be a couple of times a week.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
for mitochondrial density you go really hard then you recover for a long period of time this would be like five 30 second sprints with two to four minutes of recovery after each one the sprints are really hard the recoveries are really easy and then for fat burning capacity you could do like a 12 330 or go out for a long hike or or whatever but you need to be aware that cardio fitness is not just cardio cardio is technically four different things so if you hit those four vo2 max mitochondrial density lactate tolerance and fat burning capacity
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
and those are kind of like woven throughout your week, then you're going to get all of them. Now, if you're lucky enough to be a soccer player or a tennis player or lacrosse or one of these sports that has a lot of start, stop and endurance baked in, you're kind of getting all those from your sport.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I always look at the ingredient label. Okay, look. Well, I got lots of stuff in front of me.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
But if not, you kind of have to intentionally program them in if you want the most bang for your buck, aerobically speaking.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I knew that. My wife with the high risk of bone density, weight training. If you're morbidly obese, endomorphic with a lot of fat sores, long slow fat burning walks. If you're... Getting ready for a triathlon, high-intensity interval training. So it depends.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
it's far less likely that they would have had that if they would have had mild exposure to peanuts.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
something that involves axial loading of the spine the arms and the legs so it would probably be something very much like a squat to overhead press building arms legs functional training the core and there is loading across the entire spine the arms and the legs and i mean it can be a little bit of a difficult exercise to learn best most biomechanically friendly way to start off with something like that would be with a med ball 20 to 50 pound med ball hold it to your chest squat down stand press it overhead
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You should do it again. Another life, yeah.
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Next time I'm down here, let's do it.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I avoid LA, but I sometimes come down here and just batch a whole bunch of stuff. I'll probably back here before the end of the year.
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Yeah.
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I have a million questions. You're going to be like a co-host.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Oh, we'll get there. I know. It's going to be a long way. I won't forget.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Thanks for doing an IV with me.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Comment. I might not see it, but I might.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Thanks, Jen.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
There is what's called a compensatory mechanism that kicks in post-exercise. That compensatory mechanism is of exercise and I'm hungrier. And there's two reasons that that could happen. So there's two different things we need to consider here. The first is pretty straightforward. I've burnt more calories.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I've been more glycolytic because I'm doing high intensity interval training or weight training, not just a walk on the beach. So I've subtracted more carbohydrates from my muscles or my liver. So my body's naturally going to tell me that those need to be refilled because carbohydrates are good for brain fuel and for thyroid activity and for the joints and for the endocrine system.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
There's all sorts of messages your body begins to tell you that are crave-like messages when you've depleted a bunch of carbohydrates from your body for a good reason.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
No.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
This is why a strict ketogenic diet could be good for managing epilepsy or Alzheimer's, but long-term can cause some issues to your testosterone, your estrogen, your thyroid, your joints, et cetera, because there's just not enough glucose to go around. And you can't make glucose out of fats.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
So when you finish a hard workout and you're getting these cravings to eat because A, you've burnt through a lot of calories and your body needs more calories, or you've burnt through a lot of carbohydrates and your body needs to refill those, or both, that's a natural urge and you shouldn't necessarily resist that urge.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
No, I live in a cave slash do have a lot of stuff in my mini fridge in the garage, but some of this stuff just slips me by. I always like to look at the ingredient label, though. Like this one... Caramel latte, because a lot of people see the stuff that they're told to sell. Hopefully I don't throw any of your sponsors under the bus talking about this stuff. No, you can't.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Because in my opinion, it's healthier to be strong and fast and have a high VO2 max and good grip strength and good lactic acid tolerance and lots of mitochondria and be eating more food to fuel all that goodness versus doing the same thing day in, day out because it doesn't make you hungry and eating less food, right?
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
I'd rather be strong and fast and fit and also eat more calories than do the same thing day in, day out and just restrict my calories.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
Right. One or the other. The idea of fitness does need to be considered in terms of kind of like a blueprint for the body. I'll explain what I mean by that. But before I do, I didn't address the second reason that you might get hungry after you do a hard workout. To me, that's the more concerning reason.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
It is the train to eat, eat to train type of phenomenon where either A, you're exercising so that you can stuff your face later, not so that you can get fitter. So the only goal of exercise is to burn as many calories as possible so you can enjoy your whatever, $25 smoothie or pizza or whatever it is that makes you happy because you're addicted to food.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And the only way that you can be addicted to food without becoming morbidly obese or having some metabolic disease is to exercise your butt off, right? And so then we get into the whole realm of like exercise anorexia. which is a thing.
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
And in a similar vein, we also will finish a hard workout many times and feel like we need a reward, right? And that reward is not necessarily due to the calorie burn because some people will just go face stuff on a huge breakfast after doing 50 burpees. I did the 50, and the 50 burpees doesn't burn a ton of calories. You have to walk like an hour to even burn
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
know a cookie no but people will say hey i did the hard thing i'm going to reward myself with food so using food as a reward or as something that allows you to get that dopaminergic rush and not as something that you'd be using to refill the body and restore nutrients and vitamins and minerals
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Episode 399: Ben Greenfield on Biohacking vs. Simplicity: The Future of Longevity for Body, Mind and Spirit
that can be an issue and that's a more concerning issue and that's where we get into the willpower self-control component and in my opinion the best way to manage that is what gets measured gets managed right that's where you take photos of your food and upload them to the new gpt image recognition technology like gpt 4l where it'll just tell you you know on your own notes app or whatever how many calories that you're eating based on image recognition of that food
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
A couple capsules, although I recommend more than you'd usually take. So you take like four capsules of like the true nitrogen, and then you do 20 grams of the creatine, but you split that into four or five gram portions throughout the day.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
That's why you wouldn't want to do it every day. But you also shouldn't be sleep deprived every day. That's true. You've got deeper issues to address.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
I wear this ring. Oh, you do? Yeah. I wear a ring. Rings don't produce an appreciable amount of EMF. Like a class three Bluetooth signal is not a big... Maybe if you had it next to your head, like an AirPod inside your ear all the time, some people say it affects red blood cell flow and can cause clumping or heating of tissue. But Bluetooth is way less important of a fish to fry compared to...
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
like Wi-Fi and radio frequencies from phones, et cetera. So I use a cheapo, actually just replaced it. My last one pooped out after six years, but I use a cheapo, like $30 Timex watch and a ring and a blood glucose monitor. Oh, so you do wear the blood glucose monitor.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Not because I don't know by this point after using one for two years, what does and does not spike my blood glucose, but just because what gets measured gets managed. I'm less likely to like blow through a bunch of dark chocolate trail mix on an airplane if I know I got to look at the levels later on.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Or drink a 100-calorie cane sugar-infused caramel latte high-protein iced coffee.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
With false advertising on the front of it. Why? It says lactose-free energy, but it's got skim milk in it. However, they added lactase enzymes, so the lactase enzymes digest the skim milk.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
It's not that bad of a like, that's good that they put lactase in there along with the skim milk. I would rather like this one. If I could wave a magic wand, I'd rather they be using regular milk because all the studies on the benefits of dairy tend to be much stronger with full fat dairy compared to low fat or fat free dairy.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
The fats and dairy, especially for the metabolic function, for the satiety, for brain function, and for bone health. If you go with full fat instead of low fat or fat-free. So it's kind of like back to eggs. I'd rather you eat eggs with the egg yolk rather than egg whites. I'd rather you have chicken with the chicken skin and the gristle and the bone than have just pure skim milk.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
It's more than just calories. And obviously, we're talking about calories. Yeah, it's skim milk, but there is... a hundred calories in this. And they do use art or they do use, um, uh, low calorie sweeteners looks like, uh, Stevia. And, uh, yeah. So, so if I'm looking at ingredient label, I do like to see Stevia or allulose or D ribose or erythritol if people's guts can handle a sugar alcohol.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
than like acetyl sulfamipotassium or sucralose but when i'm looking at an ingredient label this is actually pretty clean i would give this like a like an eight on a one to ten scale but i would say if you're concerned about like fat-free milk and isolating the proteins from the fats you know like a like a either a nut milk like an almond milk or a coconut milk or an oat milk without the cane sugar added or just like using whole milk would be a little bit better
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Yeah, it is. It is good.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Yeah.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Right. I would drink this, honestly, if I weren't myself a little bit lactose intolerant. And I know if I can have dairy, if it's fermented, and this is the case for many people, if you ferment the dairy, if you do like a good fermented yogurt or a kefir, or those would really be the two primary delivery mechanisms for fermented yogurt. You can do better if you're lactose intolerant.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
The NR ones? Yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
You can also do better on milks that have lower amounts of lactose sugar. Right. goat milk camel milk etc but if what did you say goat milk like a lot of i raise goats so i we do have goat milk and how about camel you said camel milk it's a thing you can find it yeah stop it yeah okay okay yak milk where do you buy camel milk
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
The camel milk company out of California is where I've gotten it in the past.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Yeah, it's from a camel. Yeah. Surprising. Do you drink it? It comes from a camel. I have, but it's also really expensive.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
I don't know because I don't really buy it anymore, but it is better for the body. Why? Cow's milk. Because of a few reasons. Lower amounts of lactose, a smaller protein that's more bioavailable than the larger protein found in cow's milk. And also a lot of cows are bred now for A1 protein instead of A2 protein.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Yeah. As a matter of fact, my favorite stack for sleep deprivation is NR, NAD, or NMN, which are all just like
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
So when you see at the grocery store that you can buy A2 milk, that is milk that tends to produce a little bit less of an immune response in the body. And camel's milk and goat's milk are naturally more like an A2 or they have less of the A1 based protein.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Well, the nice thing about nut milks, again, if you are adding a bunch of cane sugar to them and thickeners and fillers, is that a lot of people who just don't do well with milk in general do better with that and they're lower calorie in most cases. There's some that are higher calorie, like I think macadamia nut milk is the highest. Yeah.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
NAD precursors and creatine because when you're sleep deprived two things happen you get less ATP in the brain and the creatine the phosphagen and creatine can help to replenish that and then the NAD assists with the cellular repair mechanisms that should have occurred when you're sleep deprived and so yeah I mean coffee and energy drinks and all that stuff and kind of band-aid sleep deprivation but
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
But one issue is if you want to be careful with your calorie count, a nut milk is a better substitute compared to a dairy milk.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Yeah. Yeah. And you can see on this can, they say no carrageenan, right? That is a filler that can upset a lot of people's stomachs. So, yeah. And it says lactose-free, sucralose-free, erythritol-free, but I don't want to throw them under the bus when I said false advertising. It's technically they have an enzyme in their lactase that allows you to digest the lactose.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
So it's not lactose-free, but it's more like they have the carrier agent in there that helps you digest the lactose. So technically, by the time it gets into your stomach, it is lactose-free.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Theoretically.
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This one is, but this one has erythritol in it, which can be a little bit, like if people have like small intestine bacterial overgrowth.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
I don't know. It's not bad though. It's oxygenated. Yeah.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Hydrogen infused water. That's good.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Sorry, I ate my carrots.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Okay, good. See?
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
So Magic Mind, New Elixir, Matcha Green Tea, Agave. And it's a very small bottle. So a lot of people see agave and they'll be like, oh, that's just a 100% sweetener. And agave does have a higher amount of fructose in it. The thing with fructose, fruit juices, fruit sugars, et cetera, is a lot of people have vilified them. You know, the idea that fructose is a poison.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
I think Dr. Robert Lustig introduced that concept in his book about calories.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
So it is true that fructose can elevate triglycerides and contribute to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, but only in a case in which the liver and muscle glycogen stores are already topped off. That's at which point fructose starts to spill over and cause issues. So if I'm burning 2000 calories a day and I'm drinking 2000 calories a day of Coke, and that's all that I'm drinking,
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
I would theoretically not elevate my triglycerides or get a lot of the issues associated with fructose because I'm at a net calorie balance. I wouldn't advise it because you're also going to be like, you're going to have low nutrient density and you're not getting enough protein, et cetera, if you're just drinking Coke.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
But if people see agave or fructose or high fructose corn syrup, sometimes there's some harsh chemicals and things like that used to make that. So that's a whole separate side issue. But the idea of fructose in general is that if you're a physically active person,
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
and you're not overeating, and you're having fruit juices, fruit in a blender, agave in a drink or whatever, it's usually not an issue unless you're eating too many calories, at which point fructose can become an issue.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Right. And if the fruit is sweet and has a high glycemic index, which grapes do, long term, you're getting so many insulin surges due to that high sugar content that you could create a long term state of insulin insensitivity. And then you get some appetite control issues. You get some metabolic issues that long term could cause problems.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
using about 10 higher higher than what you use for strength and power like 10 to 20 grams of creatine a day and that will give you disaster pants if you take it all at once so you get like four or five gram portions spread throughout the day if you're sleep deprived i wouldn't you don't need to do this every day and then nad iv patch
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Even if you're not overeating the grapes or fruit, you're just eating enough to spike your blood sugar repeatedly throughout the day.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
Fantastic for sleep deprivation.
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Episode 414: Ben Greenfield: Biohacking Sleep Deprivation with NAD and Creatine
If you're sleep deprived, then... coffee, five-hour energy, green tea, like all these central nervous system stimulants can kind of like short-term jack you up. But NAD combined with creatine, that stack is incredible because it helps to simulate a lot of what you would have gotten during sleep, ATP restoration in the brain and cellular repair mechanisms.