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Ben Handel

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Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

So I made that call.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

My name is Ben Handel.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

I'm an economics professor at UC Berkeley, working in the areas of healthcare economics, industrial organization, and behavioral economics.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

One example is, can you find which doctors are actually covered by your health plan?

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Let's say you are going to look for a doctor on the insurer's website.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

A lot of times the provider database, it's not organized.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

It's not updated.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

You have no idea if there's a waiting list for any doctor.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

So if you just go down the list, you might have to call 25 doctors.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Yeah, I think you frame this really well because those are the two dimensions I think about here.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

And I think it's actually very hard to identify between them.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

The two dimensions are, is the firm actively trying to make it harder for consumers?

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Which is plausible.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

And then the second dimension is, are they just doing a bad job because they're not motivated?

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Take UnitedHealthcare or some huge insurer, right?

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Huge amounts of resources.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

And they're selling a major product to consumers.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Now compare your experience looking for doctors in the network to the experience of shopping on Amazon.com.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Amazon, Target, all these retail companies, everything is designed to help you make your purchase as easily and quickly as possible.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

It's almost seamless.

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