Ben Harnwell

And President Trump was absolutely spot on to mention that.

Moving on to Ukraine, because all of these things tied together, actually, around this point, around the NATO point.

We mentioned this just before the break, before Senator Tuberville.

President Zelensky threw his toys out of the plan, as you say, yesterday in Downing Street in the White House.

And effectively, I would say it's the...

The metaphorical equivalent of spitting directly in President Trump's face.

That's what I'd say that he's done.

President Trump has invested so much time and energy since he was inaugurated to finding a peaceful resolution of this war.

And Zelensky threw it back in his face simultaneously whilst trying to prepare the ground to bring the United States back into this war, because that's the only feasible way he has of winning and maintaining the position which he announced yesterday, that there will be no defeat.

territorial concessions in the Donbas.

Why do I say, Steve, that all of these things are tied together?

Because even though I don't want to say that we were perhaps skeptical on the success of the 28-point plan, let's call it like that on this show, skeptical of the success, it now appears that that 28-point plan is in the dustbin.

But the fundamental reason that the Europeans are still sort of walking along with their gangster swagger with regards to Russia is that, because it's the whole NATO dynamic, Steve, they can afford to do this.

Instead of building sort of constructive...

relations with Russia, trying to regularize that relationship, they're still doing the gangster swagger because America is still, via NATO, effectively underwriting continental Europe's

Security and stability.

So I would say, Steve, on this show, I would say, first of all, the president has got to say, I think now's the time after nearly 11 months, 10, 11 months of hard work on trying to produce a peace agreement.

He needs to say America is out.

Guys, have at it.

If you think you can, to the Europeans, have at it.